Dallymay be entitled for 365 days only, then your income will be taken into account for future benefits or she may be reassessed as fit for work before then.
Of course she may get a part-time job but this will not attract WTC as 24 hours a week is "full-time" and you need that to get WTC.
Wait for the benefit cap explosion in a week

Today's figures rlshow that a massive contraction in the construction industryrl lies at the heart of the overall figure. This is predominantly down to government cuts, such as scrapping the schools building programme. This is Osborne's recession.

Sad, sad day for ESA claimants on Monday. For those in the WRAG on Contributory ESA who's household income is above £7,500 who have been on it for one year or more will no longer qualify for the benefit as from Monday. That means on Sunday you are just as ill and disabled as you ever were but on Monday you will be thrown on the sick and disabled scrapheap or the ConDems will have performed a medical miracle on you however you want to look at it.

I can see some pretty serious headlines in the papers in the next few weeks to do with ESA claimants

A more pertinent question would be

But the savings in back-office functions then have to be balanced by the cost of supporting those made unemployed by outsourcing, or do you think those people simply disappear along with their jobs?

Outsourcing?

There are reasons that services are being brought back in house in various places – even in Tory councils.

And this is why you should never believe what you read. My father in law was a Senior Officer at Hull City Council. He'd laugh at you if you thought his pension was £50,000 and ask you where on earth you got that ridiculously high figure from.

Without disclosing too much (mainly because I can't remember it exactly), my pension at 60 (due to my terms and conditions when I was employed and left) will be a lump sum of around £15000 and then just under £5000 a year. That's from just under 14 years in the public service. The longer it stays the higher it will eventually be (I hope) but I won't be getting the Bentley just yet.

I would love to meet the £50000 a year public sector pensioner, to punch him on the nose.

Oh and Dally seems to be missing the point that that pension money will be spent on goods and services from which VAT etc will be paid. What goes around....

My wife (not partner please) is applying on behalf of my daughter. Not sure if my income counts towards my daughter? In any event its just a case of applying so one arm of the public services can get the money from another. In other words, waste and beaurocracy to see whose budget it comes out of.

Costs are transferred to the private operators back-office. They need to employ people to cover the extra work.

The LA is no different to any other employer, there will be high earners, but for every one on 100k there will a few thousand on the breadline with a tiny pension to look forward to.

And the majority don't. The majority don't even earn a quater of that. There are around 6million employed in the public sector, the majority on the average UK wage or below. Several thousand (if your figures are correct) out of 6million earning top whack isn't going to make the public pension scheme collapse.

Nope, Igglepiggle (name courtesy of his former fan club at gobbyhousewifes.com or whatever they are called) insisted today in the commons that it was because of what they'd inherited from Labour.

So thats alright then.


In the real world it doesn't matter why there is a nail in the tyre, just that the Kwikfit fitter has the ability to fix it and if he doesn't then call someone else in to do the job.

My understanding Dally is if your daughter has worked previously and paid enough NI contributions then she will be entitled to contributory ESA. If she is placed in the support group on contributory ESA then she will continue to receive it continiously (or until she is re- assessed and told otherwise ie to be placed in the WRAG or found fit for work). If she is placed in the Work Related Activity Group and lives with you and your wife, both your incomes are classed as "household" and she will be on ESA for one year then the "household" will be expected to support her after the year if the household income is above £7,500 combined. If she is on Income Based ESA no matter if she lives at home with you or independantley then she will continue to receive the benefit continuously (or again until she is re-assessed and told otherwise ie fit for work).

If you think after the assesment that the decision is wrong, you have one month from the decision date to appeal.

Good luck with it all, it really is a minefield and imo deliberately confusing.

It's only silly if you don't want to admit you were wrong in your original post. There is now plenty of analysis coming out from various economists and they are dismissing Osborne's stance it was all down to the Eurozone and even the ONS is saying its down to the purely domestic issues mainly constructiopn that is is suffering from the governments cuts.

The ONS said output of the production industries decreased by 0.4%, construction decreased by 3% and output of the service sector increased by 0.1%.

It added that a fall in government spending had contributed to the particularly large fall in the construction sector.

"The huge cuts to public spending - 25% in public sector housing and 24% in public non-housing and with a further 10% cuts to both anticipated for 2013 - have left a hole too big for other sectors to fill," said Judy Lowe, deputy chairman of industry body CITB-ConstructionSkills, said."

From herehttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17836624rl



What profitable areas? And how do you do this? Is the government to do as I suggested its strategy is, to cut corporation tax and cross its fingers it will work? If not just what do you mean by "Resources will be reallocated into profitable areas if the public sector shrinks"? What does this mean and what magic wand will do this?

What happened after Thatcher was we became a service led economy and guess what? The only thing that is pinning up at the moment is the service sector and what little retail activity their is. The stuff we really need to do it isn't.



A public sector middle manager (your original words) will never be on a pension of £50K. You don't have a point.

The handful of council CEO's who earn 6 figure salaries might be. But then I guess the old argument we have to pay the going rate to get the best man for the job so often trotted out to justify high salaries in the private sector doesn't apply in the public sector.



My wife sees the cost (not savings) associated with using private companies. I have lost count of the number of stories she tells me of how the attitude is charge for everything. And councils pay it because they no longer have the old ethos of being custodians of the local finances. Most of them involved in the finance departments are overworked and the level of scrutiny is quite shocking.

At her school to give one example Biffa turned up when they shouldn't have to collect the refuse. Could not gain access so then proceed to charge the council for return visit. Invoice lands on my wife's desk - she refuses to pay it. Or should I say she tries to. The effort involved to sort this out was huge. She got it sorted in the end but there are plenty of other small amounts of money incorrectly billed that the attitude is (because it has to be) that it is not worth the effort to chase up. The books balance, there is money in the budget so stuff the effort.

My wife hates this attitude and has saved the school a small fortune over the years but how many people do you think are like this? Not many is my guess and if this is replicated across the country the costs will be huge overall. And this would not be happening anything like this if the money stayed where it was, within the local authority.