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Quote: wigan_rlfc "If the bells have been chiming since long before you were born then you don't really have reason to complain, just don't live near them.


Anyway, what this has to do with changing the marriage laws is beyond me.'"


No thread drift.

Didn't you know a campanologist is another word for a homosexual? curtain.gif

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Quote: wigan_rlfc "And hugely annoying if you're a light sleeper.

I don't have a problem with them chiming on the hour during the day/evening. The playing of a little tune every four hours is unnecessary at any time of day. I remember playing a gig at an outdoor party in the village a couple of summers ago, and I had to actually stop my set and sit there for a minute until it had finished.

I think the two are different.

For a start, unless you're around viewing a house in the area between 7 and 9 on a Thursday evening, you wouldn't necessarily get to know about the two hour bellathon. Likewise the late night/early morning chimes. Secondly, the playing of loud music is something that any member of the public or business can face legal action over if it occurs at inappropriate times or with inappropriate frequency. Yet church bells seem to somehow be exempt. I think it's also relevant that Man Utd don't usually schedule their fixtures for 0400.'"


If the bells have been chiming since long before you were born then you don't really have reason to complain, just don't live near them.

'"


Are you unable to read?

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Well, if you don't like the area (the bells come with the area) then ship out.

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Quote: wigan_rlfc "Well, if you don't like the area (the bells come with the area) then ship out.'"


So if you move into an area, then find out that your neighbour plays loud music at 4 in the morning (and for 2 hours every Thursday night) you should just 'ship out'?

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Quote: Rock God X "So if you move into an area, then find out that your neighbour plays loud music at 4 in the morning (and for 2 hours every Thursday night) you should just 'ship out'?'"


Nahhh!

I'd just go and 'knock him out'. icon_smile.gif

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Quote: wigan_rlfc "Anyway, what this has to do with changing the marriage laws is beyond me.'"


It's another example of where the treatment of an organisation by the state is uneven, we have equality laws that say you cannot discriminate, but a law is to be passed that facilitates just that, likewise RockGodX couldn't play his guitar at 3 am at a volume the whole village could hear, but the church can use an onslaught of horrific noise because "itmpleases the sky pixie", so an element of thread drift, but it exposes the double standard quite well.

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Quote: Standee " but the church can use an onslaught of horrific noise because "itmpleases the sky pixie", so an element of thread drift, but it exposes the double standard quite well.'"


This is priceless.

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Quote: wigan_rlfc "This is priceless.'"


rlas is this unamibuous "christian message"rl

what a really tolerant group they are, honest.

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Quote: Standee "rlas is this unamibuous "christian message"rl

what a really tolerant group they are, honest.'"

There is no call within the Christian faith to be tolerant. Respectful, yes; tolerant, no. The same can be said for Judaism and Islam. The liberal wing of each of those religions will apply tolerance because their approach is what it says on the tin (liberal) but that is all. Tolerance can be hypocritical and patronising anyway and is certainly an extension of situational ethics. The central Christian message is about acceptance (of falibility), forgiveness (for where that falibility leads) and redemption (starting afresh). It isn't and never has been about tolerance.

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Quote: SaintsFan "There is no call within the Christian faith to be tolerant. Respectful, yes; tolerant, no. The same can be said for Judaism and Islam. The liberal wing of each of those religions will apply tolerance because their approach is what it says on the tin (liberal) but that is all. Tolerance can be hypocritical and patronising anyway and is certainly an extension of situational ethics. The central Christian message is about acceptance (of falibility), forgiveness (for where that falibility leads) and redemption (starting afresh). It isn't and never has been about tolerance.'"


even more reason to view it as loony tunes then!

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Quote: SaintsFan " It isn't and never has been about tolerance.'"


Indeed, history shows that many (most) religions are totally intolorant of views which oppose theirs, all of which makes some of us shake our heads in wonder at how the House of Lords ended up allowing intolorant sexists to make the laws of our land - and how Prime Ministers in the past have made no secret of the way that religion has guided their decision making process, as if that is some sort of virtue.

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Quote: JerryChicken "Indeed, history shows that many (most) religions are totally intolorant of views which oppose theirs, all of which makes some of us shake our heads in wonder at how the House of Lords ended up allowing intolorant sexists to make the laws of our land - and how Prime Ministers in the past have made no secret of the way that religion has guided their decision making process, as if that is some sort of virtue.'"


so "love thy neighbour" means "love thy neighbour, but on insofar as they do things you agree with", sounds like sky pixie claptrap so you're right.

and as for "do unto others" well, that was clearly just bat too.

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Quote: Standee "so "love thy neighbour" means "love thy neighbour, but on insofar as they do things you agree with", sounds like sky pixie claptrap so you're right.'"

Since when has love equated to tolerance? Never, I would suggest. If you love your child, for example, and your child steals something of yours or hits you or shows other behaviour that you find uncomfortable or just plain wrong then you'll discipline your child accordingly. That will be because you love your child and want them to grow up following the values you think are important rather than doing stuff that will harm them. Parents are very intolerant towards their children but most would be loving them and would accept them as their children no matter what they did.

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Quote: JerryChicken "Indeed, history shows that many (most) religions are totally intolorant of views which oppose theirs, '"

As is evidenced all over this thread, it isn't just religions or the religious who are totally intolerant of views which oppose theirs!

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Quote: SaintsFan "As is evidenced all over this thread, it isn't just religions or the religious who are totally intolerant of views which oppose theirs!'"


no, decent people can see homophobic bigotry for what it is.

I can tolerate anyone's views, so long as they aren't f'ng idiotic.

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