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I believe de Pfeffel is now blaming Public sector pay demands for the higher inflation and a longer cost of living crisis. The man is completely clueless he and his bunch of the unemployable who have made things worse and yes my wife went several years with a pay freeze or increases of 1%.
The problem this time is that the unions are no longer perceived to be an enemy so he will need to find another group to blame. With Brexit not going well that rules them out, the opposition, no they have not been in power for 12 years, what about immigration but we are suppose to have this under control.
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| Quote: The Ghost of '99 "Unfortunately for the Tories, who are encouraging this strike for all they're worth because they perceive huge electoral advantage from it, the world has moved on a long, long way since the 1970s.
Most people simply don't find trade unions to be terrifying bogeymen any more, they don't see working people fighting for decent wages and working conditions and conclude they are the enemy. Because they are fights so many would love to have, if only they had the power.
40 years of Thatcherite and post-Thatcherite policies have created a country with vast wealth inequality and insurmountable social mobility issues. A country in which the Conservative-supporting elites bribe their way to have the ear of government officials, are in happy receipt of lucrative government contracts (where they deliver worse results for more cost than when things were done in-house) and who pay low, little or no taxes. And where, perhaps most important of all, the free market has been so corrupted that companies like Amazon, the big supermarkets and giant conglomerates and oligopolies are able to drive small businesses out of existence and drive wages down across the board with their anti-competitive behaviour.
The country's economic model has clearly fundamentally failed. The generation for whom the mention of "unions" drove them to voting for Thatcher is sadly largely dead now and younger people simply don't have the same perspectives. The upcoming fight will inevitably be similar to France
Sadly the Labour Party under Starmer has decided to take against the strikers- although now that they are on the wrong side of public opinion there seems to be a bit of a climb down. Immediate divisions were seen with Labour deputy Angela Rayner front and centre of the recent TUC demonstration in London.Tough action threatened against frontbenchers joining picket lines seems to have been no more than a slap on the wrist.
Already after berating BA workers on strike on the BBC shadow frontbencher David Lammy has subsequently made a weasel word apology.
The strikes threatened in many sectors, both public and private, was a chance for Starmer to take charge of the agenda, show some leadership and actually demonstrate that he is on the side of ordinary working people who are suffering the biggest loss of earnings in real terms for decades.
But he has failed-again.
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Watched a segment on John Olivers Show about Amazon and this very thing about a month ago
Very interesting
Also seen various segments about what lengths they will go to, to stop Union representation etc.
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| Quote: Scarlet Pimpernell "I believe de Pfeffel is now blaming Public sector pay demands for the higher inflation and a longer cost of living crisis. The man is completely clueless he and his bunch of the unemployable who have made things worse and yes my wife went several years with a pay freeze or increases of 1%.
The problem this time is that the unions are no longer perceived to be an enemy so he will need to find another group to blame. With Brexit not going well that rules them out, the opposition, no they have not been in power for 12 years, what about immigration but we are suppose to have this under control.'"
I wonder what sort of pay rise MPs will receive this year?
It’s been above inflation throughout the austerity years, will they have the brass neck to take a rise several times higher than the rises being offered to public sector worker?
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These strikes will have limited impact during the week - WFH will reduce the impact significantly
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "These strikes will have limited impact during the week - WFH will reduce the impact significantly'"
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| Quote: Superblue "WFH, a cushy little job perk that train staff don’t enjoy ![]()
Well durrr.
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| Quote: wotsupcas "Well durrr.'"
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| Quote: Superblue "WFH, a cushy little job perk that train staff don’t enjoy ![]()
Different strokes for different folks - What you can't have is huge profits and supressed wages - there needs to balance.
On the other hand you can't have a "jobs for life" as the union wants if you believe in continuous improvement. There also needs to be balance here.
Lynch is very good at distracting the attention away from the intrenched union position and blaming the government.
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "Different strokes for different folks - What you can't have is huge profits and supressed wages - there needs to balance.
On the other hand you can't have a "jobs for life" as the union wants if you believe in continuous improvement. There also needs to be balance here.
Lynch is very good at distracting the attention away from the intrenched union position and blaming the government.'"
We have a government, I hadn’t noticed thought they had become party planners. |
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Imagine being so out of touch with how most people think that you tweet this -
https://twitter.com/grantshapps/status/ ... teQdw&s=19
Shapps saying "archaic rules" mean people can't be forced to work their rest days. The country has turned against this kind of BS. The Tories keep reaching for a "be afraid of unions!" lever that used to be so powerful but now is only connected to their elderly pre-Brexit base. It certainly isn't a way to hold those Red Wall seats. |
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Imagine being so out of touch with how most people think that you tweet this -
https://twitter.com/grantshapps/status/ ... teQdw&s=19
Shapps saying "archaic rules" mean people can't be forced to work their rest days. The country has turned against this kind of BS. The Tories keep reaching for a "be afraid of unions!" lever that used to be so powerful but now is only connected to their elderly pre-Brexit base. It certainly isn't a way to hold those Red Wall seats. | |
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "Different strokes for different folks - What you can't have is huge profits and supressed wages - there needs to balance.
On the other hand you can't have a "jobs for life" as the union wants if you believe in continuous improvement. There also needs to be balance here.
Lynch is very good at distracting the attention away from the intrenched union position and blaming the government.'"
Suppressed wages throughout the austerity years, coupled with raging inflation, there was always going to be some kind of reaction.
It's great keeping the lid on public spending and squeezing those workers, while many of the large companies make staggeringly huge profits, whilst taking huge handouts from government under the furlough scheme but, as you mentioned in your previous post, the scales have tipped far too much in favour of the employers and there needs to be some redress.
Maybe it's payback time ?
What I did find unsavoury, is the notion that anyone asking for a pay rise to match or beat inflation was some kind of traitor or pariah, trying to blame the working man for the utter mess that we are in. That is just wrong. |
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "Suppressed wages throughout the austerity years, coupled with raging inflation, there was always going to be some kind of reaction.
It's great keeping the lid on public spending and squeezing those workers, while many of the large companies make staggeringly huge profits, whilst taking huge handouts from government under the furlough scheme but, as you mentioned in your previous post, the scales have tipped far too much in favour of the employers and there needs to be some redress.
Maybe it's payback time ?
What I did find unsavoury, is the notion that anyone asking for a pay rise to match or beat inflation was some kind of traitor or pariah, trying to blame the working man for the utter mess that we are in. That is just wrong.'"
There has to be more balance - drip down obviously doesn't work - perhaps CEO's bonuses should include a clause about the lowest labour costs in relation to their pay?
My wife works for William Hill - they handed back all the furlough monies despite having their shops closed for months. Many large businesses did the same once the trading environment had been known.
What do we consider to be a reasonable return for a business to make - Centrica made 1.5bn which sounds like a lot but it was only 8.5% of revenue - that is not excessive. If you look at supermarkets Morrisons 2.5% on 17.6bn - not a great return wouldn't take much for that to be a loss - give all the staff £1k increase you would c40% of the profitability.
Lynch is clever he is hanging on no redundancies - easy get out for him, not realistic but it means the bits he doesn't want you to talk about don't get mentioned.
I would agree about the government they need to grow up take the debate out of the schoolyard |
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| Quote: jools "YEP. teachers, nurses and other nhs workers next.
I used to work in education. The pay isn't bad as a teacher on the face of it - but the workload is absolutely shocking.
I would easily be putting in 60 hours a week in a 'normal' week, and during the "holidays" that you all think we get I would work at least half of those. We would be expected to come in and do revision sessions during holidays, after school sessions etc, parents evenings, open evenings, so really when you work it out you are earning minimum wage. And don't even get me started on the bullying culture that exists on staff in many schools. and if you work in a 'tough' school its even harder.
all that is before COVID, I really don't know how my ex colleagues have dragged themselves through the last two and a half years. I look back know and think F*** what I put up with!
nurses are in a similar boat with shortages and all the extra they are having to do.'"
Interesting read that jools
When you were offered the position/job did your employer not outline what was entailed?
If they did why did you accept it ,if was so bad ?
The answer to all these ongoing strikes is to let the public sue the unions.
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| Quote: Durham Giant "[iFrom someone who works on the railways...
Three years ago we accepted a 0% pay rise, two years ago we accepted a 0% pay rise. But this year they came to us with a 0% pay rise plus over 2500 redundancies, changes to terms and conditions. An increase from 28 weeks of nights to 39 weeks of nights. An increase from 32 weekends worked to 39 weekends worked.
Currently for a night shift we get time and a quarter, for a weekend turn we get time and a half. They wish to cut both of these to time and a tenth. So that’s a 15% pay cut on every night shift and a 40% pay cut on every weekend turn. But they want us to work more of them. This is their modernisation they talk about. Not technology, we embrace technology and have seen more and more of it in recent years. They also wish to fire and re-hire the operative grades and bring them back under a new job title but on £9000 a year less. They also want them to use their own vehicles to get to work sites, this when fuel is at its highest. They will also be pooled when currently they are part of the team. The press are painting this to be about pay above all else. It is not. But now we’ve said sod them we are going to demand better. I wish everyone could see past the government controlled media smear[/i
So we have an effectively privatised rail system atm with the government giving railways £16 billion. Rather than running the railways for a non profit format they are reducing wages and terms of employment so they can increase shareholders bonuses.
Last year £800 million pound of shareholders profits was paid out effectively the tax payer putting £800 million into the pension pots of hedge fund managers'"
From my mate Dave who's a train driver
I think Mick Lynch is proper bo ,I earn over £60000 driving trains and good old comrade Lynch thinks I should get payed loads more,I think he's ace
Oh BTW I've had an inflation busting salary rise of sh*t loads over inflation levels over the last 10 years |
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