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| Quote: JerryChicken "There are exceptions and this forums snappiest dresser Cod'ead will tell you which labels to look for, the ones that actually still do the manufacturing process themselves...'"
It often happens during televised football matches. The commentator praises the quality of a players shooting and the player then gets closer to the corner flag while trying to score a goal.
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| Quote: Dally "I disagree. British people are buying these products in British shops. The companies selling these products in British shops are knowingly sourcing them from cheap producers. A big part of the reason than production is cheap is because of the poor quality of buildings and safety for workers. I think that reflects badly on the morality of British retailers and consumers.'"
My lack of morals shames me and I want the dazzling glow of self-satisfaction that you have. What do I need to do to be more like you?
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| Quote: El Barbudo "Now where did he say that profit and ethics were mutually exclusive, eh?'"
now where did i say anything about ethics, eh?
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| Quote: samwire "now where did i say anything about ethics, eh?'"
You didn't need to, you'd already made yourself look foolish (yet again), with this
Now it may come as a surprise to you but I have never had a problem with companies or individuals making a profit. Having been self-employed for the last 12 years, it would be hypocritical of me to decry profit making.
I do have a problem with some methods of achieving profits and what then happens to those profits. The example of Norman Walsh footwear being a graphic case of how a British company can compete in sports footwear by manufacturing in Britain, using British labour, presumably paying at least NMW rates, instead of employing sweat-shop labour in a 3rd world country and then shifting money around the globe in order to minimise tax liability.
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| Quote: cod'ead "Now it may come as a surprise to you but I have never had a problem with companies or individuals making a profit. Having been self-employed for the last 12 years, it would be hypocritical of me to decry profit making.
I do have a problem with some methods of achieving profits and what then happens to those profits. The example of Norman Walsh footwear being a graphic case of how a British company can compete in sports footwear by manufacturing in Britain, using British labour, presumably paying at least NMW rates, instead of employing sweat-shop labour in a 3rd world country and then shifting money around the globe in order to minimise tax liability.'"
why would it come as a surprise to me, you love profit, look at the way you voted to have the nhs sold off.
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| Quote: samwire "why would it come as a surprise to me, you love profit, look at the way you voted to have the nhs sold off.'"
If you are struggling (which you certainly seem to be) to engage in discussion of the subject at hand, may I suggest you read what Mintball had to say on the Abu Qatada thread?
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Second – this is an ideal opportunity to make a larger reminder to some of our trolls that, in general, this has been a tad more civilised a place recently. So, a) let's keep that going. b) If any of you have nothing more to contribute than the same 'arguments', over and over, illustrating only that either you are incapable of understanding what has been posted in response previously or have no inclination to do so, then action will be taken. Such an approach contributes absolutely nothing of value to any discussion.'"
Your trolling on this and various other threads is becoming tedious, it wouldn't be too bad if you were any good at it but compared to some, you are a rank amateur.
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| Of course over here a clothing firm would never be able to create jobs because some civil servant would come round the building with his clipboard saying can't build it like that it breaks some EU directive on health and safety.
Which is why everybody in the UK is unemployed and the third world is growing fast whilst we are stagnant.
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| Quote: sally cinnamon "Of course over here a clothing firm would never be able to create jobs because some civil servant would come round the building with his clipboard saying can't build it like that it breaks some EU directive on health and safety.
Which is why everybody in the UK is unemployed and the third world is growing fast whilst we are stagnant.'"
Perhaps we should opt out of all this EU stuff and H&S stuff, then we can build huge factories with massive sleeping areas for the workforce to do 18 hrs before squeezing in with 300 others for a kip. They could also cook their own food on an open fire in the middle of it if we opted out of other H&S measures on food hygiene, quality control etc. Because they would have bed and board, no heating bills to pay for we could justify paying them 50p and hour and blow the opposition out of the water in such places as Indonesia, Philippines etc.
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| Quote: cod'ead "
Now it may come as a surprise to you but I have never had a problem with companies or individuals making a profit. Having been self-employed for the last 12 years, it would be hypocritical of me to decry profit making.
I do have a problem with some methods of achieving profits and what then happens to those profits. The example of Norman Walsh footwear being a graphic case of how a British company can compete in sports footwear by manufacturing in Britain, using British labour, presumably paying at least NMW rates, instead of employing sweat-shop labour in a 3rd world country and then shifting money around the globe in order to minimise tax liability.'"
The modern mass consumerism is to blame though. People want cheap clothes that they can wear and wash a couple of times before they discard them which is why the likes of Primark are thriving. The younger (say under 30) generation very rarely buy anything that's built to last, it's all about being 'on trend' and how it looks rather than the build quality. My daughters are 21 & 22 and I make a trip to the charity shop every few weeks with black bags full of clothes that they've worn once and discarded which they justify in their own minds because they only paid £5 for it from Primark or wherever and now it's out of fashion. There'll always be a place for the Norman Walsh companies of this world but the reality is that we live in an age where it's style over substance and thus the 'pile em high sell em cheap' retailers are thriving. But to sell them cheap they need to make them at an almost negligible cost which rules out manufacturing them in any Western Europe country. So I'm not sure it's fair to totally blame the retailers as ultimately they are responding to the consumers habits. Those of us who are fortunate enough to afford to be discerning will continue to be (eg I will pay £1,000 for a suit that will last 15 years rather than £100 for one that will last 12 months) and there'll always be a place for bespoke and niche companies, but the modern world and consumer values mean that cheap and cheerful is the dominant model and will continue to be. As my old granny used to say, the world these days is full of folk who know the price of everything but the value of nowt, and that's the real problem.
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| Quote: Derwent "The modern mass consumerism is to blame though. People want cheap clothes that they can wear and wash a couple of times before they discard them which is why the likes of Primark are thriving. The younger (say under 30) generation very rarely buy anything that's built to last, it's all about being 'on trend' and how it looks rather than the build quality. My daughters are 21 & 22 and I make a trip to the charity shop every few weeks with black bags full of clothes that they've worn once and discarded which they justify in their own minds because they only paid £5 for it from Primark or wherever and now it's out of fashion. There'll always be a place for the Norman Walsh companies of this world but the reality is that we live in an age where it's style over substance and thus the 'pile em high sell em cheap' retailers are thriving. But to sell them cheap they need to make them at an almost negligible cost which rules out manufacturing them in any Western Europe country. So I'm not sure it's fair to totally blame the retailers as ultimately they are responding to the consumers habits. Those of us who are fortunate enough to afford to be discerning will continue to be (eg I will pay £1,000 for a suit that will last 15 years rather than £100 for one that will last 12 months) and there'll always be a place for bespoke and niche companies, but the modern world and consumer values mean that cheap and cheerful is the dominant model and will continue to be. As my old granny used to say, the world these days is full of folk who know the price of everything but the value of nowt, and that's the real problem.'"
As someone who is not a fashion icon by a long way, I buy clothes that do the job. I bought a dark blue suit from Matalan about 5 years ago for £40 and its seen several weddings, a couple of funerals, christenings etc and I also wear it for meeting at work where is suit is required. It's been to the cleaners a few times and still looks fine. I will be using it again for a family wedding in June. On the flip side, I once paid over £100 for a pair of shoes and the sole came away from the shoe after a few months and pi$$ed in water. I suppose luck has a little to do with it also.
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| Quote: Derwent " My daughters are 21 & 22 and I make a trip to the charity shop every few weeks with black bags full of clothes that they've worn once and discarded which they justify in their own minds because they only paid £5 for it from Primark or wherever and now it's out of fashion. '"
Likewise, although 21 and 24 - just last week I placed six large "bin liner" bags at our front gate for collection - gone in literally ten minutes by the clothes fairies, and that was at the least the second clearout of clothing they've had this year, in the meantime the BooHoo wagon rarely misses a day when he doesn't deliver to our house.
Me, I mostly shop in charity shops
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| Quote: Derwent "Those of us who are fortunate enough to afford to be discerning will continue to be (eg I will pay £1,000 for a suit that will last 15 years rather than £100 for one that will last 12 months) '"
You [imight[/i be a discerning customer.
But there's an equal chance that you're a mug who just pays £800 for the feeling of being discerning.
The fact that your daughters have YOU taking their old clothes to the charity shop points to you being a mug. Is their time just so much more valuable than yours? Have you just got nothing better to do with your time than do their menial chores for them?
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| Quote: rover49 "Perhaps we should opt out of all this EU stuff and H&S stuff, then we can build huge factories with massive sleeping areas for the workforce to do 18 hrs before squeezing in with 300 others for a kip. They could also cook their own food on an open fire in the middle of it if we opted out of other H&S measures on food hygiene, quality control etc. Because they would have bed and board, no heating bills to pay for we could justify paying them 50p and hour and blow the opposition out of the water in such places as Indonesia, Philippines etc.'"
It would get Britain back to work and would also help tackle our trade deficit.
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| Quote: Derwent "The modern mass consumerism is to blame though. People want cheap clothes that they can wear and wash a couple of times before they discard them which is why the likes of Primark are thriving. The younger (say under 30) generation very rarely buy anything that's built to last, it's all about being 'on trend' and how it looks rather than the build quality. My daughters are 21 & 22 and I make a trip to the charity shop every few weeks with black bags full of clothes that they've worn once and discarded which they justify in their own minds because they only paid £5 for it from Primark or wherever and now it's out of fashion. There'll always be a place for the Norman Walsh companies of this world but the reality is that we live in an age where it's style over substance and thus the 'pile em high sell em cheap' retailers are thriving. But to sell them cheap they need to make them at an almost negligible cost which rules out manufacturing them in any Western Europe country. So I'm not sure it's fair to totally blame the retailers as ultimately they are responding to the consumers habits. Those of us who are fortunate enough to afford to be discerning will continue to be (eg I will pay £1,000 for a suit that will last 15 years rather than £100 for one that will last 12 months) and there'll always be a place for bespoke and niche companies, but the modern world and consumer values mean that cheap and cheerful is the dominant model and will continue to be. As my old granny used to say, the world these days is full of folk who know the price of everything but the value of nowt, and that's the real problem.'"
Please don't tell me that you honestly believe the retailers were simply responding to a demand from consumers that they produce thinly-veiled, knock-off copies of runway couture for a tenner a throw?
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| Quote: Lord God Jose Mourinho "You [imight[/i be a discerning customer.
But there's an equal chance that you're a mug who just pays £800 for the feeling of being discerning.
The fact that your daughters have YOU taking their old clothes to the charity shop points to you being a mug. Is their time just so much more valuable than yours? Have you just got nothing better to do with your time than do their menial chores for them?'"
All parents are mugs when it comes to their children. However, They don't ask me to do it, I do it voluntarily because I'd rather they were spending their time having fun and enjoying life while they're young.
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