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| Quote: cod'ead "I'm sometimes pleased that my old man is no longer around. I dread to think what him and his mates would think of an imbecilic attitude like yours, after they'd spent 6 years fighting on three continents to oppose pervasive regimes. Then you come along and would happily sign away any hard-fought freedoms, in the name of the mythical war on terror.'"
This is completely OT, but I saw this article this morning and thought fondly of you.
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| Assuming that t'interwebby and e-mails had yet to be invented.
Would this or any other government propose intercepting, opening and photocopying every letter that was posted to, from or within the UK?
And what do you presume would be the reaction?
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| rlWhat we can expectrl
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1977_1349889235.jpg "You are working for Satan." [i:2886spie]Kirkstaller[/i:2886spie]
"Dare to know!" [i:2886spie]Immanuel Kant[/i:2886spie]
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| Quote: cod'ead "Assuming that t'interwebby and e-mails had yet to be invented.
Would this or any other government propose intercepting, opening and photocopying every letter that was posted to, from or within the UK?
And what do you presume would be the reaction?'"
It's mind blowing. And it was entirely bad enough when Labour proposed such plans, but for the Tories to have (rightly) opposed them then and now forgotten that makes it stink even more (if possible).
And really – this cobblers about 'if you have nothing to hide '...
Hey, let's all be so scared that we sleepwalk into an Orwellian reality. Do the people who claim that 'if you've done nothing wrong' actually have absolutely nothing whatsoever in their lives that they wouldn't want to share with everybody else? Really?
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cod'ead wrote: "I have just snotted weissbier all over my keyboard & screen"
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"No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin." - Aneurin Bevan:2051.jpg |
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| rlTomorrow's Indy front pagerl
Be interesting to read the details but I can hear screeching brakes even now, I wouldn't completely rule out a handbrake turn
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1977_1349889235.jpg "You are working for Satan." [i:2886spie]Kirkstaller[/i:2886spie]
"Dare to know!" [i:2886spie]Immanuel Kant[/i:2886spie]
"Do not take life too seriously. You will never get out of it alive" [i:2886spie]Elbert Hubbard[/i:2886spie]
"We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." [i:2886spie]Oscar Wilde[/i:2886spie]
[url=http://thevoluptuousmanifesto.blogspot.co.uk:2886spie][color=#4000FF:2886spie]The Voluptuous Manifesto[/color:2886spie][/url:2886spie] – thoughts on all sorts of stuff.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_1977.jpg |
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| If that's correct, then would that be a record for a u-turn by this lot?
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| Quote: Saddened! "As ever, the only people who will lose out over this are people with something to hide.'" What if what you have to hide isnt illegal?
Quote: Saddened! "I personally don't care if they have access to everything I do. If it saves one life, it's worth it IMO.'"
What are you doing where the government would need unfettered access to your communications to save a life?
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| Quote: Mintball "If that's correct, then would that be a record for a u-turn by this lot?'"
There have been so many that they really are proving themselves to be incompetent.
Problem is that what they are doing is flying kites.
They are merely puppets dancing to the tune being played by more extreme puppeteers behind the screens, they have been told that there has to be extremely deep cuts, that there has to be a complete clampdown on freedoms, both press and public and rather than take considered decisions they are leaking details to the press and waiting to see what the reaction is, its almost like government by constant opinion poll instead of government by leadership.
We all know this now and we all know what tools to use to register our disapproval, more than ever before its possible to immediately register your objection to policies and so this government more than any seem perfectly happy to keep playing this game, and making themselves look weak and leaderless at the same time.
Its almost like they know now that there won't be another term after this one and the agenda has to be writ in law ASAP.
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cod'ead wrote: "I have just snotted weissbier all over my keyboard & screen"
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"No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin." - Aneurin Bevan:2051.jpg |
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| Throw in the proposals for government to withold evidence in trials and we're approaching a state that Kim Jong Il would've been proud to lead.
I can't help this sneaking suspicion that some are deliberately seeking to provoke a response, in order to have an excuse to crack down on the miscreants. That's one way of reducing the headcount and by extension, the welfare bill.
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kirkstaller wrote: "All DNA shows is that we have a common creator."
cod'ead wrote: "I have just snotted weissbier all over my keyboard & screen"
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"No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin." - Aneurin Bevan:2051.jpg |
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| rlIndy front page storyrl
rlClegg demands rethink on secret justice plansrl
What was it Saddened said about "if you've got nothing to hide?"
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cod'ead wrote: "I have just snotted weissbier all over my keyboard & screen"
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| Fook me, they're getting desparate now
rlTen reasons to be proud of Cameronrl
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| Quote: cod'ead "Fook me, they're getting desparate now
rlTen reasons to be proud of Cameronrl'"
You need to be desperate to proclaim this as one of the ten best things your party leader has done during his term as Prime Minister...
5. A higher and more sustainable retirement age.
First of all WTF is a "sustainable" retirement age other than an unwillingness and long standing inability of all governments to tackle the issue of state pensions ?
And secondly - why be proud of the fact that you are forcing (not even asking) your citizens to work for more years than previously - I would have thought that LOWERING the retirement age would be something to be proud of.
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