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We should have two mew laws:
- UK residential property owned by non-EU citizens should be subject to an annual tax on value; and
- no newspapers / media outlets only to be controlled / owned by UK domiciled and resident individuals / companies.

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Quote: Cibaman "Well no, not if Labour are happy to be kicked out at the next election.'"


LOL

The SNP would no more "pull Labour's strings" than the LimpDems have pulled the tories over the last five years.

We're looking at the very last of two-party politics. I reckon that if Labour do form the next government and in the absence of a very unlikely landslide, then consensus politics will be the way forward. To that end, we'll also be offered over the next five years, a proposal for some form of PR and reformation of the HoL. This may disappoint many left-wingers but would strike fear into the hearts of the tories, simply because they truly believe they were "born to rule".

We're heading for a federalist United Kingdom and that is the only way to keep the UK together

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The older I get, the better I was Advice is what we seek when we already know the answer - but wish we didn't I'd rather have a full bottle in front of me than a full-frontal lobotomy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ kirkstaller wrote: "All DNA shows is that we have a common creator." cod'ead wrote: "I have just snotted weissbier all over my keyboard & screen" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin." - Aneurin Bevan:2051.jpg



Quote: Dally "We should have two mew laws

That's getting to sound suspiciously like the LVT that I've been promoting for years. People can move, land cannot

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- no newspapers / media outlets only to be controlled / owned by UK domiciled and resident individuals / companies.'"


Care to read and rewrite that again? It makes no sense at all

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Quote: cod'ead "LOL

The SNP would no more "pull Labour's strings" than the LimpDems have pulled the tories over the last five years.

We're looking at the very last of two-party politics. I reckon that if Labour do form the next government and in the absence of a very unlikely landslide, then consensus politics will be the way forward. To that end, we'll also be offered over the next five years, a proposal for some form of PR and reformation of the HoL. This may disappoint many left-wingers but would strike fear into the hearts of the tories, simply because they truly believe they were "born to rule".

We're heading for a federalist United Kingdom and that is the only way to keep the UK together'"


What's the consensus between Labour and the SNP on Trident? Move it to Manchester?

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Quote: Cibaman "I dont think that Labour will turn to the SNP as such. I think they will present their Queen's Speech and budget and dare the SNP to vote against it or abstain. The trouble is that Sturgeon seems to think that if the SNP vote down a Labour budget, Labour will simply come back with something more acceptable. Because that's how it works in Scotland.'"


The SNP have put themselves forward as an anti-Tory party as much as a nationalist party in this election (and in the referendum). What people may have forgotten is there are elections for the Scottish parliament in 2016.

Now you can't really appeal to disaffected Labour voters, then vote down a Labour government that then results in a Tory administration and expect to retain that support.

They would be just like the Lib Dems. Went to the country on one platform, anti-Tory, and enabled the thing they said they were against.

They have little choice but to back Labour, deal or no deal.

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Quote: Cibaman "What's the consensus between Labour and the SNP on Trident? Move it to Manchester?'"


There doesn't need to be one. SNP can vote against. Labour and Tories vote for. Trident is renewed. It's obvious.

If the SNP made this a red line issue (which they have already said they won't....) then for reasons outlined in my previous post they won't be thanked for bringing a Labour govt. down if it lets the Tories in.

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Quote: Cibaman "What's the consensus between Labour and the SNP on Trident? Move it to Manchester?'"


Do you believe that if a Queen's Speech is defeated, then that means the end of the government?

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Quote: DaveO "The SNP have put themselves forward as an anti-Tory party as much as a nationalist party in this election (and in the referendum). What people may have forgotten is there are elections for the Scottish parliament in 2016.

Now you can't really appeal to disaffected Labour voters, then vote down a Labour government that then results in a Tory administration and expect to retain that support.

They would be just like the Lib Dems. Went to the country on one platform, anti-Tory, and enabled the thing they said they were against.

They have little choice but to back Labour, deal or no deal.'"


If the SNP votes down a Labour government, does it necessarily mean that there will be a Tory government? If The Tories can form a government they will do, the Labour / SNP relationship becomes irrelevant. If the Tories can't form a government then they can't form a government.

The most likely scenario, if the polls are correct, is that Cameron will follow the precedents set by Heath and Brown and hang about in Downing Street, trying to form a government. Eventually he will fail and resign. Milliband then becomes PM.

If the SNP votes down the Labour government, it doesn't let the Tories in. Because they can't form a government.

Eventually, if neither Labour or the Tories can form a government, there would have to be a second election. Labour and the Tories would have to agree to support a motion for an early election. The SNP wouldnt have let in the Tories. They would fight that election on the basis that it been caused by the Westminster parties blatant disregard of the voice of Scotland. Another step towards a second referendum.

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The big day has arrived.
Don't think I've ever been as uninterested in a GE campaigh as this one.
In fact I've gone as far as to purposefully avoid it as much as has been possible...
Just looked this morning online at the six candidates in my constituencey.
The usual three jokers from the main parties who have convinced the great British public that austerity is their fault.
The Little Englander UKIPer (village greens, church bells and no swarthy types hiding behind the cemetary headstones).
Greens (go on, you know it'll make you feel all cuddlier inside).
Yorkshire First (who I couldn't be d to read about but assume he's a miniature version of a UKIPer).

I doubt I'll be rushing to my designated polling station anytime soon.

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Brenda may be appointing a new govt soon, but not much changes, I was delighted to read that I am paying for police officers to leaflet the village where William and Kate live warning everyone off harassing by photography. A heartwarming use of public money and police time I think, but would have been good if they could have dropped off a menu from the local Indian at the same time for free.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-32609527
Brenda may be appointing a new govt soon, but not much changes, I was delighted to read that I am paying for police officers to leaflet the village where William and Kate live warning everyone off harassing by photography. A heartwarming use of public money and police time I think, but would have been good if they could have dropped off a menu from the local Indian at the same time for free.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-32609527


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Quote: Cibaman "If the SNP votes down a Labour government, does it necessarily mean that there will be a Tory government? If The Tories can form a government they will do, the Labour / SNP relationship becomes irrelevant. If the Tories can't form a government then they can't form a government.

The most likely scenario, if the polls are correct, is that Cameron will follow the precedents set by Heath and Brown and hang about in Downing Street, trying to form a government. Eventually he will fail and resign. Milliband then becomes PM.

If the SNP votes down the Labour government, it doesn't let the Tories in. Because they can't form a government.

Eventually, if neither Labour or the Tories can form a government, there would have to be a second election. Labour and the Tories would have to agree to support a motion for an early election. The SNP wouldnt have let in the Tories. They would fight that election on the basis that it been caused by the Westminster parties blatant disregard of the voice of Scotland. Another step towards a second referendum.'"


It's not just about voting Labour down but offering to support a Tory govt. One of the things I have seen suggested elsewhere is the SNP do a deal with the Tories who deliver devomax to the SNP in exchange for support in passing William Hague's "EVEL" legislation. The logic being devmax is what they always wanted and the Tories have long since given up on Scotland or the concept of the United Kingdom and just want to "rule" England.

I think it is a bit fanciful to say the least and if they did then I reckon the SNP would revive other parties fortunes north of the border as quickly as support for Labour dropped away after the referendum and with 2016 looming they won't do it.

As to the simpler situation of a Labour Queens speech being rejected the SNP would possibly have to vote against to ensure it was, not just abstain. Another election occurs and if the Tories won outright then I am sure Labour and others would argue a vote for the SNP was a vote for the Tories as they suggest voting for the Lib Dem's is.

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Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "Brenda may be appointing a new govt soon, but not much changes, I was delighted to read that I am paying for police officers to leaflet the village where William and Kate live warning everyone off harassing by photography. A heartwarming use of public money and police time I think, but would have been good if they could have dropped off a menu from the local Indian at the same time for free.

Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "The majority of the work was paid for by the Royal Family from private funds.'"


I find it funny that the BBC have to say this at the end of the article about the house refurbishment, fully aware of the ridiculousness of the whole folly.

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Quote: DaveO "It's not just about voting Labour down but offering to support a Tory govt. One of the things I have seen suggested elsewhere is the SNP do a deal with the Tories who deliver devomax to the SNP in exchange for support in passing William Hague's "EVEL" legislation. The logic being devmax is what they always wanted and the Tories have long since given up on Scotland or the concept of the United Kingdom and just want to "rule" England.

I think it is a bit fanciful to say the least and if they did then I reckon the SNP would revive other parties fortunes north of the border as quickly as support for Labour dropped away after the referendum and with 2016 looming they won't do it.

As to the simpler situation of a Labour Queens speech being rejected the SNP would possibly have to vote against to ensure it was, not just abstain. Another election occurs and if the Tories won outright then I am sure Labour and others would argue a vote for the SNP was a vote for the Tories as they suggest voting for the Lib Dem's is.'"


If the SNP voted Labour out, Labour would probably win the election. Refusing to give concessions to the SNP would give them huge kudos in England and they probably couldnt do any worse in Scotland. There certainly wouldnt be any posters of Miliband in Sturgeon or Salmond's pocket.

It doesnt seem that the Scots are as bothered about the prospect of a Tory government as some seem to think. If keeping out the Tories was their be all and end all, they'd all be voting Labour. They must know that voting SNP increases the chances of a Tory government but seem prepared to take the risk. Only a quarter of them are likely to vote for the option that is most likely to keep out the Tories. It seems to me that if the SNP get the seats that are being predicted they will have a strong mandate to stir the pot at Westminister, even at the risk of a Tory government.

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The SNP are ina win win situation, Tories win and they can claim that the Tories do not represent anyone in Scotland with some authority and would bring separation quicker. A Labour win could help them gain a foothold of power to push on for separation in the future, I as a socialist have no problem with it. They have similar policies to Labour, in fact many of us feel that the SNP influence could give us a proper socialist party of the left back.

I am busy with the election at the moment, just stopping for some food before doing some active knocking up of support. All I can say at the moment is the Labour vote is not only holding up its high, very high and the good weather is helping.

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As to the simpler situation of a Labour Queens speech being rejected the SNP would possibly have to vote against to ensure it was, not just abstain. Another election occurs and if the Tories won outright then I am sure Labour and others would argue a vote for the SNP was a vote for the Tories as they suggest voting for the Lib Dem's is.'"



You're wrong mate.

A Queen's Speech can be voted down without causing anything other than a little embarassment for those proposing it. It WILL NOT trigger another election.

An election could be triggered only by the incumbents losing a confidence vote, so the SNP can stay true to their promise to reject Trident without bringing down a Labour minority government.

All this was written into the cabinet book in 2010. Drafted by Gus O'Donnell and approved and signed off by Camoron, Clegg et al

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Castleford
 Fri 18th Apr 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R7
20:00
Hull FC
v
Hull KR
20:00
Wigan
v
St.Helens
20:00
Leeds
v
Huddersfield
 Sat 19th Apr 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R7
20:00
Leigh
v
Warrington
20:00
Catalans
v
Salford
 Thu 24th Apr 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R8
20:00
Warrington
v
St.Helens
20:00
Leeds
v
Hull KR
 Fri 25th Apr 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R8
20:00
Salford
v
Leigh
 Sat 26th Apr 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R8
15:00
Huddersfield
v
Castleford
17:30
Catalans
v
Wakefield
 Sun 27th Apr 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R8
15:00
Hull FC
v
Wigan
 Sat 3rd May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R9
15:00
Leigh
v
Catalans
17:15
Hull KR
v
Salford
19:30
St.Helens
v
Leeds
 Sun 4th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R9
13:00
Huddersfield
v
Hull FC
15:15
Wigan
v
Warrington
17:30
Castleford
v
Wakefield
 Thu 15th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
20:00
St.Helens
v
Catalans
 Fri 16th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
20:00
Leeds
v
Hull FC
20:00
Wigan
v
Leigh
 Sat 17th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
15:00
Hull KR
v
Huddersfield
 Sun 18th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
15:00
Wakefield
v
Warrington
17:30
Castleford
v
Salford
 Thu 22nd May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
20:00
Leigh
v
Hull FC
 Fri 23rd May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
20:00
Huddersfield
v
St.Helens
20:00
Warrington
v
Hull KR
 Sat 24th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
14:30
Castleford
v
Leeds
17:30
Catalans
v
Wigan
 Sun 25th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
15:00
Wakefield
v
Salford
 Thu 29th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
20:00
Huddersfield
v
Leigh
 Fri 30th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
20:00
Hull KR
v
St.Helens
20:00
Salford
v
Wigan
 Sat 31st May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
14:30
Leeds
v
Wakefield
17:30
Catalans
v
Hull FC
 Sun 1st Jun 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
15:00
Warrington
v
Castleford
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Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds-Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield-Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Hull KR
Sat 8th Mar
SL
17:30
Catalans-Leeds
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SL
17:30
Warrington-Wakefield
SL
17:30
Wigan-Huddersfield
Thu 20th Mar
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20:00
Salford-Huddersfield
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St.Helens-Warrington
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
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Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
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Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
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