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Quote: Mintball "
Quote: Mintball "... You are in complete denial about the root cause of the deficit - the bankers only added to what was a mountain of debt already accumulated by Brown/Balls etc.'"


Oh dear, oh dear.

So - and I'll write this slowly to help you - do you really believe that

Are you for real? maybe all the time worry about cleaners and the MRSA epidemic or companies taking pension holidays - has clouded your tiny and I mean tiny!!

To answer you points
1. Are you seriously suggesting that the deficit was under control before the bankers blew it wide open?
2. Unlike under Major - Labour were experiencing unprecedented tax revenues and still the deficit was increasing at an alarming rate.
3. Now one of your favourites - please show me where I have posted that careers have big expenses accounts, I have a had a reasonable career and I have never had a big expense account?
4. Do you deny that claims for incapacity benefit increased under the last Labour government to levels previous thought impossible - during a time of record spending on the NHS and a significant decrease in manual labour in the work place and increased H&S legalisation?
5. Was it a figment of my imagination but did Brown not sell off a big portion of the gold reserves at a point when gold was at its cheapest?
6. On the bananas - I demonstrated the volumes of small independent retailers still selling these basic ingredients, the fact that most choose to use the supermarket is not because of availability - it must be all the mind bending that you claim supermarkets subject us all too - and you claim I am "Plonker" kettle and pot!!

I suggest you need to take a chill pill - you won't need a big one for that tiny mind of yours.

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Quote: Sal Paradise "Are you for real? maybe all the time worry about cleaners and the MRSA epidemic or companies taking pension holidays - has clouded your tiny and I mean tiny!!...'"


My "tiny" what?

Quote: Sal Paradise "To answer you points
1. Are you seriously suggesting that the deficit was under control before the bankers blew it wide open?'"


You haven't answered the questions I asked.

To repeat

No. It. Was. Not.

Quote: Sal Paradise "... 3. Now one of your favourites - please show me where I have posted that careers have big expenses accounts, I have a had a reasonable career and I have never had a big expense account?'"


Indeed, I doubt "careers" claim any expenses at all. Neither do carers – but that didn't stop that little fantasy of yours, did it? And I don't recall you acknowledging that you were incorrect on that score, in spite of being shown to be absolutely wrong.

But that's part of the point – you never do acknowledge being shown to be wrong.

Quote: Sal Paradise "4. Do you deny that claims for incapacity benefit increased under the last Labour government to levels previous thought impossible - during a time of record spending on the NHS and a significant decrease in manual labour in the work place and increased H&S legalisation?'"


The word is 'legislation'. And you claim to be a great intellect!

But since you're so much better than those of who don't live in "the real world" (©
sal paradise), perhaps you can stop the knee-jerk fantasy games and provide evidence for these assertions and claims.

IIRC – and I'll have to look for the charts and stats – the numbers claiming disability benefit fell during Labour's time in office (or certainly didn't rise). That's in the "real world", chucky boy – not in your rabid, tabloid fantasy world.

Health and safety is not just about workplaces. And accidents happen – see the relevant thread – that could have been avoided if health and safety regulations had been avoided.

Good grief – even a government minister admitted, a few weeks ago, that there is no problem with H&S legislation itself, but with the fear of litigation sending people to hide behind H&S. And then the knee-jerk brigade like you, who simply prefer to accept that it's somehow at the root of 'Broken Britain', without actually being able to explain what on Earth you even mean by that.

Quote: Sal Paradise "... 5. Was it a figment of my imagination but did Brown not sell off a big portion of the gold reserves at a point when gold was at its cheapest?'"


I haven't said he didn't – you're now into the realms of inventing red herrings in terms of this debate. However, I look forward to your condemnation of Thatcher and co for using the revenues from North Sea gas to deindustrialise.

Quote: Sal Paradise "6. On the bananas - I demonstrated the volumes of small independent retailers still selling these basic ingredients, the fact that most choose to use the supermarket is not because of availability - it must be all the mind bending that you claim supermarkets subject us all too - and you claim I am "Plonker" kettle and pot!!'"


You leapt in to a discussion accusing me of claiming that people should not buy bananas, when I had written absolutely nothing of the sort. And this from someone who flings around accusations against other posters that they can't read properly.

Quote: Sal Paradise "I suggest you need to take a chill pill - you won't need a big one for that tiny mind of yours.'"


Thanks for another contribution that adds something intelligent to the debate. No, really.

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Cameron now has a six point lead.

Take it!!

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Quote: Ajw71 "Cameron now has a six point lead.

'"


...in ???

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Quote: Ajw71 "Cameron now has a six point lead.

Take it!!'"


And Labour retained a seat in a by-election with an 8% swing from Conservative to Labour after DC used the veto. A seat which had been won by the Tories in the late 80's general elections as well so not one that had been Labour for ever either.

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You fail to point out that only 30% of potential voters voted and that a large porportion of that quantity were postal votes which had to be in before DC's Euro actions last week.

So claiming an overall swing of 8.5% from Tories to Labour is not a true reflection of the nation as a whole.

Not my words, but Radio 5 Live's Chief Political Commentator John Pienaar's.

You also fail to point out that despite the scaremongers on here, the majority of the UK public agree with Cameron.

I know it really really hurts you extreme left, Euro lovers on here. I know it hurts bad, but I'm sorry you are wrong.

It's time you moved on.

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There are still Euros lovers on here? The Eurozone will break up shortly. The government is, according to the loony press (although they are usually correct on ths sort of thing), planning how to repatriate ca. 1 million brits (mainly retirees) from Spain and Portugal as they reckon Spanish banks will go bust.

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Quote: Dally "There are still Euros lovers on here? The Eurozone will break up shortly. The government is, according to the loony press (although they are usually correct on ths sort of thing), planning how to repatriate ca. 1 million brits (mainly retirees) from Spain and Portugal as they reckon Spanish banks will go bust.'"


Sarko seems to be going the other way with this little gem :

www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/ ... -london.do
Quote: Dally "There are still Euros lovers on here? The Eurozone will break up shortly. The government is, according to the loony press (although they are usually correct on ths sort of thing), planning how to repatriate ca. 1 million brits (mainly retirees) from Spain and Portugal as they reckon Spanish banks will go bust.'"


Sarko seems to be going the other way with this little gem :

www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/ ... -london.do


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Quote: Ajw71 "You fail to point out that only 30% of potential voters voted and that a large porportion of that quantity were postal votes which had to be in before DC's Euro actions last week.

So claiming an overall swing of 8.5% from Tories to Labour is not a true reflection of the nation as a whole.

Not my words, but Radio 5 Live's Chief Political Commentator John Pienaar's.

You also fail to point out that despite the scaremongers on here, the majority of the UK public agree with Cameron.

I know it really really hurts you extreme left, Euro lovers on here. I know it hurts bad, but I'm sorry you are wrong.

It's time you moved on.'"


I just find it hilarious reading the thoughts of all you little englanders. Somebody in the pub actually buys the Daily Star and reading the text messages they receive and print is similar to reading the guff from all you right-wing eeejits on here

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Quote: Ajw71 "

So claiming an overall swing of 8.5% from Tories to Labour is not a true reflection of the nation as a whole.

'"


You do realise that that is how statistics work don't you ?

You realise that the political press officers, the ones who decide which stories are to appear in the opinion sheets tomorrow, they are the ones who pick the statistics that suit their agendas and ignore the ones that don't ?

So losing a seat mid way through a term can easily be written off if only 30% of the electorate voted, and some of those were postal votes so theres another good excuse (what level does the percentage have to be before you can say with authority "Most of those were postal votes" ?), whilst all at the same time claiming a 6 point lead from another un-named source (you still haven't named it).

All of this bluster is of course to divert attention away from the grumblings of discontent at the no deal declared by Cameron and the fact that they lost a by election - you do understand how all this works don't you ?

Or do you just let Rupert Murdochs press formulate your opinions for you ?

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Quote: cod'ead " all you right-wing eeejits on here'"


We are winning.

You are losing.

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Quote: Mintball "
Quote: Mintball "Obviously the politicians are hopeless compared to the posters on this forum....'"


Thank goodness you have no political opinions and, therefore, never express any.

Presumably, you don't vote either?'"


I've voted in every election since 1979. As it's a secret ballot my choices remain so. No offence but you may be confusing a lack of political opinion with an opinion that I know all the answers, which I certainly do not. Unlike some other posters?

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Quote: Kosh "And as you well know I've worked for the last 30-odd years in a major industry where the opposite applies and where companies have set up shop in the UK [ispecifically[/i because of the single market. Make no mistake about it - dropping out of the single market would do enormous harm to the UK economy. Assuming that the single market survives the current crisis of course...'"


Indeed - and I agree the single market is vital. It's a shame we Europeans couldn't just stop there though.

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Quote: cod'ead "

I just find it hilarious reading the thoughts of all you little englanders. Somebody in the pub actually buys the Daily Star and reading the text messages they receive and print is similar to reading the guff from all you right-wing eeejits on here'"


Oh right, so Euro sceptics and people on the right of the political divide are all xenophobic, illiterate morons? Why didn't you say so earlier, all the time we've wasted NOT worshipping at your feet.

Silly us eh?

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Quote: Hoofer "I've voted in every election since 1979. As it's a secret ballot my choices remain so. No offence but you may be confusing a lack of political opinion with an opinion that I know all the answers, which I certainly do not. Unlike some other posters?'"


So you hold opinions without believing they're right? How odd.

But I've yet to see anyone on here who claims to "know all the answers" - perhaps you can point out who does and on what you base such a claim? That would mean showing evidence that they think that they "know ALL the answers", as you suggest.

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 Sun 11th May 2025
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14:30
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v
Newcastle
15:00
Dewsbury
v
Cornwall
15:00
Keighley
v
Workington
15:00
Rochdale
v
Midlands
15:00
Whitehaven
v
Goole V
 Thu 15th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
20:00
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v
Catalans
 Fri 16th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
20:00
Leeds
v
Hull FC
20:00
Wigan
v
Leigh
 Sat 17th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
15:00
Hull KR
v
Huddersfield
 Sun 18th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
15:00
Wakefield
v
Warrington
17:30
Castleford
v
Salford
 Thu 22nd May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
20:00
Leigh
v
Hull FC
 Fri 23rd May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
20:00
Huddersfield
v
St.Helens
20:00
Warrington
v
Hull KR
 Sat 24th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
14:30
Castleford
v
Leeds
17:30
Catalans
v
Wigan
 Sun 25th May 2025
       League One 2025-R10
14:00
Midlands
v
Whitehaven
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
15:00
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v
Salford
       League One 2025-R10
15:00
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v
Crusaders
15:00
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v
Newcastle
15:00
Swinton
v
Cornwall
15:00
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v
Goole V
 Thu 29th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R13
20:00
Huddersfield
v
Leigh
 Fri 30th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R13
20:00
Hull KR
v
St.Helens
20:00
Salford
v
Wigan
 Sat 31st May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R13
14:30
Leeds
v
Wakefield
17:30
Catalans
v
Hull FC
 Sun 1st Jun 2025
       League One 2025-R11
13:00
Cornwall
v
Goole V
14:00
Midlands
v
Swinton
14:30
Crusaders
v
Rochdale
     Mens Super League XXX-R13
15:00
Warrington
v
Castleford
       League One 2025-R11
15:00
Newcastle
v
Keighley
15:00
Workington
v
Dewsbury
 Fri 13th Jun 2025
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19:00
Dewsbury
v
Goole V
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
20:00
Hull FC
v
Castleford
20:00
Hull KR
v
Catalans
 Sat 14th Jun 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
15:00
Huddersfield
v
Wigan
17:30
Leeds
v
Warrington
 Sun 15th Jun 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
14:30
Wakefield
v
Leigh
       League One 2025-R12
14:30
Crusaders
v
Midlands
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
15:00
Salford
v
St.Helens
       League One 2025-R12
15:00
Keighley
v
Rochdale
15:00
Swinton
v
Workington
15:00
Whitehaven
v
Cornwall
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Matches on TV
Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds-Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield-Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Fri 28th Feb
SL
20:00
Huddersfield-Hull FC
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Salford
SL
20:00
Leigh-Catalans
Sat 1st Mar
SL
14:30
Wakefield-St.Helens
SL
21:30
Wigan-Warrington
Sun 2nd Mar
SL
15:00
Leeds-Castleford
Thu 6th Mar
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20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
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