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| Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"You say that Labours stance is very clear, which I believe is Leave with a deal, including "A customs union".
Much as this seems to be the middle ground, do you believe this would make it through Parliament and would it actually be "leaving" (as we would still be tied to the EU and making contributions, albeit at a lower level than we currently do).
Corbyn, although happy to bang the Euro drum about workers rights ets, is a lifelong Eurosceptic and ironically, their own policy doesnt pass it's own 6 tests for leaving the EU ??'"
The big problem is that neither can put one upmanship and politics aside and make a decision that is actually good for THE COUNTRY, it looks increasingly like we will end up with a GE, another coalition that can't really do much and the same ineffective politics we have had for 20 years.
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| Quote IR80="IR80":arrow: The big problem is that neither can put one upmanship and politics aside and make a decision that is actually good for THE COUNTRY, it looks increasingly like we will end up with a GE, another coalition that can't really do much and the same ineffective politics we have had for 20 years.'"
I would suggest those honourable Tories (oxymoron alert) are doing exactly that. The reason that we are in this pickle is one side sees the obvious economic & social advantages of EU membership, the other side are a bunch of racists & xenophobes who still think the UK is a superior nation.
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| Quote tigertot="tigertot"I would suggest those honourable Tories (oxymoron alert) are doing exactly that. The reason that we are in this pickle is one side sees the obvious economic & social advantages of EU membership, the other side are a bunch of racists & xenophobes who still think the UK is a superior nation.'"
The referendum result was to leave, it is a simple fact. (I voted remain, but democracy requires that we leave), Labour were clamouring for a GE, they could have one, but know they will never win with the Geography Teacher at the helm.
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| Quote IR80="IR80"The referendum result was to leave, it is a simple fact. (I voted remain, but democracy requires that we leave), Labour were clamouring for a GE, they could have one, but know they will never win with the Geography Teacher at the helm.'"
But you said politicians can't make a decision for the good of the country. Not wanting to commit suicide, I would suggest, could be construed as beneficial.
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| Quote tigertot="tigertot"But you said politicians can't make a decision for the good of the country. Not wanting to commit suicide, I would suggest, could be construed as beneficial.'"
In your oppinion, not the majority of those that voted. As I say, I voted remain, but my countrymen and women voted leave. If we were to stay then the EU would meddle evn more. I don't see a positive outcome either way.
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| HOw do they 'meddle' now, and how would they meddle more? That is just typical Mail/Sun/Express language.
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| Quote tigertot="tigertot"HOw do they 'meddle' now, and how would they meddle more? That is just typical Mail/Sun/Express language.'"
You keep trotting out the Mail, Express, Sun garbage, I read none of them. Out of interest, which sector do you work in, how much unnecessary beaurocracy do you come across?
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| Quote tigertot="tigertot"I would suggest those honourable Tories (oxymoron alert) are doing exactly that. The reason that we are in this pickle is one side sees the obvious economic & social advantages of EU membership, the other side are a bunch of racists & xenophobes who still think the UK is a superior nation.'"
One side is trying to deliver the mandate they asked the country to give them. The other has a very fluid policy depending on which day it is.
They all seem very certain that another referendum will deliver a remain vote - what happens if it delivers another leave vote?
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| Quote IR80="IR80"You keep trotting out the Mail, Express, Sun garbage, I read none of them. Out of interest, which sector do you work in, how much unnecessary beaurocracy do you come across?'"
Answer my questions & I will answer yours. How do they 'meddle' now, and how would they meddle more?
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| Quote Sal Paradise="Sal Paradise"
They all seem very certain that another referendum will deliver a remain vote - what happens if it delivers another leave vote?'"
Without doubt we would have to leave. Assuming the options were clear. I have not come across anyone saying different.
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| Quote tigertot="tigertot"Answer my questions & I will answer yours. How do they 'meddle' now, and how would they meddle more?'"
You have no experience of dealing with EU bearocracy, that is clear. You are all for attempting to belittle peopls and attempt, in vain, to "call them out", the truth is you are a died in the wool socialist, you don't believe in democracy.
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| Quote IR80="IR80"You have no experience of dealing with EU bearocracy, that is clear. You are all for attempting to belittle peopls and attempt, in vain, to "call them out", the truth is you are a died in the wool socialist, you don't believe in democracy.'"
I obtain & spend EU funding. Millions. My brother worked for the EU for many years; he still does occasionally. His wife still does. My nephew is working on Brexit very close to the heart of Government. I have voted Labour once in a GE in the last 30 years. That was tactical to kick out the Tory scummer. It worked.
So tell me, How do they 'meddle' now, and how would they meddle more?
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