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| Quote post="post"...Some people talk nonsense...'"
Don't they just.
Quote post="post"...It's always been the case having a few before you go out...'"
No, it hasn't.
Quote post="post"...Most of the idiots that cause trouble are fuelled by cocaine, not alcohol, its just some Tory minister that hasn't been on a night out in 50 years, what next Police State?..'"
Most?
If that's the case, shouldn't we should be testing those scraped off the floor for cocaine?
Quote post="post"...Honest to God, every time I've ever been out I've had a skin full but I can handle it ... '"
What does this mean?
That you are immune to the effects of alcohol or that you know when enough is enough?
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| Quote El Barbudo="El Barbudo"Don't they just.
No, it hasn't.
Each to their own.
Most?
If that's the case, shouldn't we should be testing those scraped off the floor for cocaine?
If people are on cocaine they won't be on the floor as it keeps them going for longer on the ale, they're more likely to cause trouble rather than be on the floor, but can anyone be punished for having cocaine in their blood stream if they aren't a sports player?
What does this mean?
That you are immune to the effects of alcohol or that you know when enough is enough?
I know when enough is enough, I don't get to the stage where I'm not in control of myself but would have had a few drinks enough to make the average person drunk.
When was the last time you say someone drunk as a skunk in a city/town centre enough to warrant the use of drunk tanks other than what they have shown you clips of on the news to back up the idea?
Just another way of milking the general public once again.
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| Quote post="post" ...When was the last time you say someone drunk as a skunk in a city/town centre enough to warrant the use of drunk tanks other than what they have shown you clips of on the news to back up the idea?..'"
I don't see the point of drunk tanks, it's not tackling the problem at the right point.
Serving people whose behaviour/demeanour/speech/swaying/whatever suggests they've already had enough or too much is, to me, where the problem should be nipped.
When did I last see someone drunk and incapable in a town centre?
I wasn't in a city centre last weekend, so two weeks ago.
I like a pint as much as anyone, I drink to enjoy what I'm drinking and relax.
Getting drunk is only a consequence in the increasingly rare event that I misjudge it at a celebration or suchlike... it is absolutely never the idea I go out with as a target.
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| Quote El Barbudo="El Barbudo"I don't see the point of drunk tanks, it's not tackling the problem at the right point.
Serving people whose behaviour/demeanour/speech/swaying/whatever suggests they've already had enough or too much is, to me, where the problem should be nipped.
When did I last see someone drunk and incapable in a town centre?
I wasn't in a city centre last weekend, so two weeks ago.
I like a pint as much as anyone, I drink to enjoy what I'm drinking and relax.
Getting drunk is only a consequence in the increasingly rare event that I misjudge it at a celebration or suchlike... it is absolutely never the idea I go out with as a target.'"
Good point, think how you would feel having misjudged yourself and ended up a little drunk and then thrown in a drunk tank and fined £400. Its a load of cobblers, the police would initially be in control of putting people in and because they were dragging officers from their duty and costing the tax payer too much it would all be sent to G4S and we would have a privatised police force patrolling city/town centres nicking people to meet their quotas. Then Joe public would find other ways to entertain themselves and stay away from the centres etc etc etc and so on.
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| Its not unusual for Chief Constables to make political statements seemingly "on behalf" of the police, its also not unusual for Chief Constables to take up political positions when they leave their posts and therefore its not unusual for incumbent governments to agree with them.
It shouldn't therefore be a surprise that in this particular case its a Chief Constable who is suggesting that another agency should take care of drunken behavior or that profit could be made from this venture, he's lining himself up for a nice little advisory role in the next government or a directorship in "Drunks-R-Us Corp" on the assumption that its a blue government.
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| Quote JerryChicken="JerryChicken"Its not unusual for Chief Constables to make political statements seemingly "on behalf" of the police, its also not unusual for Chief Constables to take up political positions when they leave their posts and therefore its not unusual for incumbent governments to agree with them.
It shouldn't therefore be a surprise that in this particular case its a Chief Constable who is suggesting that another agency should take care of drunken behavior or that profit could be made from this venture, he's lining himself up for a nice little advisory role in the next government or a directorship in "Drunks-R-Us Corp" on the assumption that its a blue government.'"
Correct, are we heading towards a totalitarian state?
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| Quote post="post"Correct, are we heading towards a totalitarian state?'"
Not yet.
But lobbing people into a drunk tank just on the dubious judgement of some quota-driven employee of a privatised company whose only incentive is profit rather than a sense of civic responsibility would be possibly one step on the road you suggest.
To be constitutionally compliant, arrest would have to be done by the police so, basically, what is being suggested is that the police contract-out the transport and containment.
Quite how that is an improvement over the current situation, I don't see.
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| Quote El Barbudo="El Barbudo"Not yet.
But lobbing people into a drunk tank just on the dubious judgement of some quota-driven employee of a privatised company whose only incentive is profit rather than a sense of civic responsibility would be possibly one step on the road you suggest.
To be constitutionally compliant, arrest would have to be done by the police so, basically, what is being suggested is that the police contract-out the transport and containment.
Quite how that is an improvement over the current situation, I don't see.'"
Would they have to be arrested though ?
To be detained yes, but there are already initiatives (as seen occasionally on TV) where specialist NHS-provided units are set up in temporary units in town centres so that the dangerously intoxicated (dangerous to their well being/life) are cared for and taken off the streets until sober.
Currently I'm assuming that those NHS units are funded by the NHS Trust concerned and they see a benefit in keeping their Casualty Depts free of drunkards and their ambulance staff are able to spend less time ferrying drunks around.
But if you could only find a way to simply ferry those drunks to a medical facility like that "in the interest of their own own safety and well being", and then charge them for it without the need for arrest then that would be a nice little earner for a private health provider wouldn't it ?
Probably led by a former chief constable of course.
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| Quote JerryChicken="JerryChicken"Would they have to be arrested though ?...'"
Well, if they agree to accompany a non-policeman to the tank, then no they wouldn't.
But, if they took exception at being invited into a vehicle by some jobsworth-heavy and were bundled-in anyway, I'd call that kidnapping.
Constitutional slippery-slope, that.
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| Quote El Barbudo="El Barbudo"Well, if they agree to accompany a non-policeman to the tank, then no they wouldn't.
But, if they took exception at being invited into a vehicle by some jobsworth-heavy and were bundled-in anyway, I'd call that kidnapping.
Constitutional slippery-slope, that.'"
Nah,
If there is money in it somewhere then there will be a qualification invented for "duty of care providers for drunk people" or similar, a fancy badge and a hi-viz vest and bobs your uncle.
If I'd told you twenty years ago that a pub could have a badged heavy on the door who would be allowed to prevent, by force if necessary, your entry to the premises then you'd have laughed.
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| Quote JerryChicken="JerryChicken"Nah,
If I'd told you twenty years ago that a pub could have a badged heavy on the door who would be allowed to prevent, by force if necessary, your entry to the premises then you'd have laughed.'"
Pubs had such people on the doors alot more than 20 years ago - albeit without a badge. So, I'm not sure of your point.
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| Quote Dally="Dally"Pubs had such people on the doors alot more than 20 years ago - albeit without a badge. So, I'm not sure of your point.'"
Well you must have lived in a dodgy area, pubs oop north didn't (clubs did, not pubs).
Along with not drinking in pubs with flat roofs, they have to pass the "doorman or not" test for me, a pub that needs a knucklehead on the door to arbitrate on its clients is not for me thank you.
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