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| Quote Scarlet Pimpernell="Scarlet Pimpernell"How can a variant first found in Kent and sweeping through the EU and many other countries be washed up on our shores because we have it already.'"
This is about Government control - they need to keep finding things to extend the lockdown. Now we can't even go abroad even to countries with very low infection rates e.g. Israel. They want to extend the special measures way beyond the June end of restrictions. It has nothing to do with foreigners as you and Ghost and Durham would like it to be.
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| Quote Superblue="Superblue"I just don’t get the Nationalistic hype the tories are pushing with the covid vaccine rollout, but I guess it’s not aimed at me, as they know I won’t swallow it.
They make it sound like we’ve never undertaken a vaccination programme before.
The NHS has administered millions of jabs for donkeys years now, with about 20 million flu jabs in the 3 months before Christmas every year.
As the local doctor said, the NHS was already set up for vaccination programmes, all that was needed was bigger premises, which were quickly identified as the sports stadiums, and taxpayers money to implement.
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In 2019 they did 1.8m Flu jabs not 20m - this vaccination program is unprecedented in scale in this country 20 times the size of the flu jab roll out.
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| Quote The Ghost of '99="The Ghost of '99"I dunno, you're the one who keeps mentioning them. Obsessed or deflecting attention, whichever. The reality is they've never been in power so what they would or would not have done is utterly irrelevant.'"
I only mention Corbyn when he patriotic credentials are raised and by comparison with current shambles we have as a government. I have never suggested the current state of anything has Grandad as its root cause.
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| Quote Mild Rover="Mild Rover"I would have suggested when we had a plan that could survive the scrutiny of even its own proponents and creators for more than a few weeks. And when adequate preparations were in place. I do have some sympathy people who really wanted to leave the EU because of legitimate anxieties about ever closer political ties to Europe, because all of the prominent figures offering it were/are cartoon-ish gormers.
=#BF0000There would have never been a time to leave the EU that didn't cause significant disruption to what had been going on for 40 years. Unless you stayed in the single market the rules were always going to change - could we have been more prepared when was the last time a major trading nation left the EU and provided a blueprint to follow?
As somebody with legitimate anxieties about late stage capitalism, inequality and ecological collapse, I feel their pain, having had to pin my hopes on Corbyn. I mean, he meant well from my political POV, but you have to give yourself a chance.
=#BF0000Agreed
The problem, imo, was that with a clear and specific plan Leave probably doesn’t win the referendum. But without one, and with Johnson, Gove, JRM et al in charge of cobbling something together it was always going to be a mess.
=#BF0000See above - you also had the EU who let's be honest weren't keen on making it easy - understanably
That tells me almost nothing about the EU as a whole. There’s some information about its constituent parts that are in some cases making a bit of a mess of their vaccination programs. AZ is a British-Swedish multinational, with a Swedish chairman and a French-Australian CEO. I did quite a bit of work with them 2015 to 2017 and it did feel a bit more British than Roche and Novartis feel Swiss, for example. But the idea that the EU doesn’t want use their vaccine because it is too British is laughable paranoia. They’re more frustrated that they can’t get enough of it.
=#BF0000Why would the EU suddenly decide that the vaccine wouldn't work in over 65s with no data, then it was going to cause blood clots - again with no data to support the assumption - both theories not discounted as EU fluff. Why the AZ vaccine and not the Pfizer?
I’m not sure that leaving the EU really solves that broad problem. The freedom given by independence is often notional. In theory we’re a sovereign equal with the US but there is a massive power imbalance. It is going to be similar with the EU in some respects. With more resentment being stoked, admittedly.
=#BF0000I would suggest we are sovereign like the countries in SE Asia - Singapore, Vietnam, South Korea that is more of a reasonable comparison
Some of that I agree with. The simplicity of the NHS concept offers impressive value for the relatively small price we pay compared with most other wealthy countries, imo. Is commercial banking the part of banking associated with synthetic collaterized debt obligations, bankruptcies and massive public bailouts, creating a sense of injustice that led to stuff like Brexit and the Trump Presidency? Tbf, it is about 14 years since the entire system teetered on the brink of collapse, which is nice.
=#BF0000Commercial banking/professional services is not main stream banking its business support functionality something we are pretty good at. These guys were on the other side making all the money when the likes of Fred Goodwin got out of their depth - they weren't struggling
What new opportunities do you see for improving the areas you highlight, resulting from Brexit?
Well done on getting this far, if you have, btw.
Have an RLFANS house point.'"
=#BF0000What opportunities - I see far more aggressive approach to sales, marketing and distribution - product innovation e.g. pharma - where are the lipids for the Pfizer vaccine coming from?
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I think we could have planned a lot better for Brexit. But I understand the reasons (good, bad and inevitable) why we didn’t. Ultimately, people weigh the costs and benefits differently and we all made up our minds a long time ago.
The AZ-vaccine nervousness within the EU seemed very much to come at the national level. The EU regulatory body (the EMA) approved the AZ vaccine in all age groups and didn’t suspend approval in response the reports of thromboembolic events. I assume that was national health technology assessment agencies exercising an, imo excessive in the circumstances, degree of caution. Just as England has NICE (and Scotland has the SMA and Wales has the AWMSG), France has HAS and Italy has AIFA etc. The approval of all these vaccines was ‘expedited’, so I could kind of get a slightly wary reaction in countries that haven’t been hard hit by COVID. Where they’ve had it nearly as bad as us, it seems perverse to me. But these are independent, sovereign countries and they can make their own decisions.
I should have Googled commercial banking.
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| Quote Zoo Zoo Boom="Zoo Zoo Boom"In 2019 they did 1.8m Flu jabs not 20m - this vaccination program is unprecedented in scale in this country 20 times the size of the flu jab roll out.'"
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What a very disingenuous response you slipped in there.
Your just a paid troll on here, most likely in the employ of the conservative and unionist party 
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| Quote Zoo Zoo Boom="Zoo Zoo Boom"=#BF0000Why would the EU suddenly decide that the vaccine wouldn't work in over 65s with no data, '"
Why do you keep saying "the EU" when you mean individual nation states?
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| Quote Zoo Zoo Boom="Zoo Zoo Boom"I only mention Corbyn when he patriotic credentials are raised a'" You're the one who keeps raising them. Again, questioning someone else's loyalty to country just because they aren't right wing zeolouts is something that happens all too often and is something I find personally pretty despicable.
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| Quote Zoo Zoo Boom="Zoo Zoo Boom"You don't really believe investing in the public sector will deliver a high knowledge, high skill, high wage economy - do you?'" Well we need to start with education. And investment in that sector costs money. And I'm pretty sure you don't want anything close to an increase in our tax base. So what are we looking at? Wishing it into existence? Tax breaks for people who pretend to tick training boxes (been there, done that)? Anything which will actually address the issues we face?
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| Quote The Ghost of '99="The Ghost of '99"Well we need to start with education. And investment in that sector costs money. And I'm pretty sure you don't want anything close to an increase in our tax base. So what are we looking at? Wishing it into existence? Tax breaks for people who pretend to tick training boxes (been there, done that)? Anything which will actually address the issues we face?'"
Are we getting good value for money in our state education system - is the current system delivering the best outcomes and I don't mean loads of GCSEs. Perhaps before spending huge amounts of extra cash we develop a system that delivers maximum value and then start to re-invest - just a thought?
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| Quote Superblue="Superblue"Dear Me,
What a very disingenuous response you slipped in there.
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The 1.9m is on the HM Gov site - go check and come back when you can confirm your 20m jabs?
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| Quote Mild Rover="Mild Rover"In response to ZZB.
I think we could have planned a lot better for Brexit. But I understand the reasons (good, bad and inevitable) why we didn’t. Ultimately, people weigh the costs and benefits differently and we all made up our minds a long time ago.
The AZ-vaccine nervousness within the EU seemed very much to come at the national level. The EU regulatory body (the EMA) approved the AZ vaccine in all age groups and didn’t suspend approval in response the reports of thromboembolic events. I assume that was national health technology assessment agencies exercising an, imo excessive in the circumstances, degree of caution. Just as England has NICE (and Scotland has the SMA and Wales has the AWMSG), France has HAS and Italy has AIFA etc. The approval of all these vaccines was ‘expedited’, so I could kind of get a slightly wary reaction in countries that haven’t been hard hit by COVID. Where they’ve had it nearly as bad as us, it seems perverse to me. But these are independent, sovereign countries and they can make their own decisions.
I should have Googled commercial banking.'"
There was a couple of cases in Norway - but no correlation to AZ jab was ever made yet Germany, France etc jumped on the bandwagon - why? There were known side effects of the Pfizer jab which were far more prevalent than those of AZ jab - anaphylactic shock, respiratory problem, facial nerve paralysis yet nothing - why AZ and not Pfizer - the logic doesn't stack up.
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