I must correct myself in the interests of fairness - SC was only added to H at the beginning of 2018, so that Jeremy Hunt could ignore it from a position of authority; prior to that, it was just quietly ignored, in an informal way.

That feels like shifting the blame to civil servants for what the Panorama documentary last night has clearly demonstrated, was a Govt decision; essential items of PPE were omitted from the pandemic stockpile, for financial reasons.

I don't disagree that generally, the public machinery moves frustratingly slowly in many instances - but I don't think this is a good example.

The MPs aren't on the ground moving stock around its like saying the army killing innocent citizens is the government's fault - somebody dies on an operating table is the government's fault. Did they make a decision on PPE when nobody had even heard of Covid - yes they did - which has proved to be the wrong one in hindsight. Getting PPE around the country is the responsibility of those people within the NHS charged with that responsibility - you can't shift that blame surely?

The furlough scheme and getting the money has worked brilliantly - not heard one of you on here going good job well done - no wonder people see your perspectives are well skewed.

Operation Cygnus told the Govt what they needed to do in the event of a pandemic - they chose not to do it for financial reasons. Their stockpile contained *no* gowns - not a single one; that's bordering on criminal negligence, yes?



The furlough scheme has worked well for some industries yes - but not all; and 'getting the money' has yet to be proven - the scheme opened for claims a week or so ago. If you mean the loan scheme - that clearly hasn't worked, as the banks (shock horror) were making it too difficult - so the Exchequer has had to step in and guarantee loans for smaller companies, to take the banks out of the equation.



What happened to a non-partisan discussion? I'm trying not to be skewed - I'm not suggesting anyone else would have done it better - I'm just dealing with facts before me.

So I will ask you this question - you are suggesting that given the chances of a pandemic were so great and the government should have acted and stockpiled PPE - I am correct in that yes? You as a social care provider looking after the most vulnerable in society to one of these incidents would have obviously done the thing you expected the government to do and stockpiled PPE - you didn't and I correct again - yes? So why didn't you stockpile PPE for the very same reason the government didn't because the money was better invested elsewhere. You are a private business charging £20-30k annually per customer and you cry wolf when the public sector don't get you out of the mess you have got yourself into - safeism gone mad.

I have issues in my business through the economic situation - the only person to blame is me.

On the furlough scheme - I have money out with 5 days of requesting it - so as far as I can see it works fine and many in my network have had the same experience - its quick and easy to access and the funds are flowing.

The banking is a different matter - banks are concerned that the loans will be repaid and that business that take out these loans will survive the crisis. The biggest part of the problem is most businesses can't provide the information the bank needs e.g. 2 years P&L. balance sheet and cashflow and business justification to support the loans. This is neither the government's nor the banks' problem - this is an issue of poorly managed businesses.

Wasn't one army commander quoted as being desperate to take over the distribution operation, and as being 'appalled' at NHS planning? I certainly don't 'blame' the NHS - it would be unfair to expect any distribution operation to expand from 200+ delivery locations to 58,000 overnight.


The government have stepped up and done a fantastic job financially. Not a sniff of gratitude or acknowledgement from most on here, some of whom I assume are grudgingly receiving furlough payments and possibly other means of assistance.

It cannot be overstated just how critical the furlough scheme is. Millions of us now have guaranteed income until at least June 30th, and who knows, it may be extended further if the lockdown continues. Most lenders are arranging mortgage holidays. So, for 3 months I'm only paying for shopping, utility bills and a few other small bills (and my daughter's birthday next month). I'll probably come out of this period better off despite a considerable drop in income. But will I have a job? That remains to be seen so I'll take what I can.

I acknowledge some businesses and individuals will inevitably fall through the cracks - there are millions of variables at play - but it cannot be denied the government have done a fantastic job in propping the country up financially. We'll all pay for it over time of course, but the alternative is unthinkable.

Is it all running perfectly smoothly? Not yet. I don't think it's unreasonable to forgive a few blips launching such huge and complex programmes in a matter of weeks.

Let's look at some of the achievements. I'm sure there are some I may have missed:
- The hugely impressive Nightingale hospitals - thankfully mostly not required yet.
- Increasing critical hospital capacity to the point we have over 3,000 spare critical care beds.
- A clearly defined four-stage strategy.
- For the most (while not ignoring the gaps) - providing medical equipment to cope with demand, including ventilators and PPE.
- The Job Retention (furlough) Scheme (later extended to include June).
- The Self-Employment Income Support Scheme.
- The 'Bounce Back Loan' for SMEs of up to £50,000.
- The Business Interruption Loan Scheme of up to £5m.
- The Corporate Financing Facility for larger businesses.
- Small business grant funding of £10,000.
- Guaranteeing loans where required.
- Grant funding of £25,000 for some retail, hospitality & leisure businesses.
- Deferred VAT payments.
- A 12 month business rate holiday for retail, hospitality, leisure & childcare businesses in England.
- £750 million cash grants fund for thousands of charities.

Fair points to a degree - just note for those of us (000's/10,000's/100,000's/millions?) who have fallen through the cracks and got nothing - am I expected to repay back the loans made out to people & companies in the future in my tax rate? Hardly fair. I was made redundant in January for which a got an amount that took me a smidgen above the threshold for UVC and this has been the worse time ever to look at the job market.. I will l be making a claim for UVC soon, obviously I'd much prefer to work as would everyone at the moment.

Only the same as me paying tax to educate and feed other people's kids etc. It seems that you are a socialist only when you are on the receiving end?

Paid all income taxes since Jan 1993 & I haven't been bailed out.. quite the opposite, on now and I will be on later

My point remains. You said its "hardly fair" that you should contribute to people in need, hardly a socialist attitude is it? Or is it only fair if you're getting a slice of the action?

Therein lies the issue with socialism - everyone is equal apart from those who are more equal than the rest. All those on here are happy to spout the rhetoric as long as their lifestyle is not impacted in ensuring others get a leg up. Socialism is about dragging everyone down - its the only way to achieve equality as there has to be a big number to support the ruling class.

What a ridiculous statement - and is a large part of the reason you're perceived as an amusing novelty act; you can't possibly say that, any more than I can say that *everyone* who supports the Tories is a right wing nutjob who cares more about their personal wealth than the lives of their fellow humans.

Socialism is about communal ownership and responsibility, about co-operating more than competing.

Other countries (like all of our northern European neighbours) achieve greater equality in terms of outcomes and opportunities without dragging everyone down, and indeed without full blooded socialism. Possibly by virtue of not having such rigid and institutionalised class systems or financialized economies.

I think nobody is more of a novelty act than you - nothing is ever your fault always somebody else's PPE is just the latest in your neat deflection technique - look in the mirror and seriously ask the question - can I really walk on the surface of the River Aire because that is how you come across

If you believe Maslow and most experts give weight to his writings - altruism is a pretty high up need - once your personal/family situation is secure.