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| Quote: West Leeds Rhino "Christianity starts and ends with Jesus' teachings. Jesus wasn't the son of God'"
I don't know if you identify as a Christian or not but every Christian (or at least they have said they are Christian), I have spoken too has said that the core of Christianity is that Jesus was the son of God, Jesus died for our sins and that he was resurrected
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| Quote: West Leeds Rhino "You are quite entitled to your opinion. In my opinion, there probably was a bloke. The message of love thy neighbour, non-retaliation and do to those as you would unto yourself if followed by all would make the world a better place.
I don't brain wash anyone. The kids at Sunday School are encouraged to think for themselves to draw their own conclusions. I encourage them to think of logical explanations to the 'miracles' and parables. What part of that is brain washing them?
Just out of interest, why do you have the flag of Israel in your signature?'"
He may be from Israel.
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| Quote: lfb "I don't if you identify as a Christian or not but every Christian (or at least they have said they are Christian), I have spoken too has said that the core of Christianity is that Jesus was the son of God, Jesus died for our sins and that he was resurrected'"
The bible was produced when people still thought the earth was the centre of the universe. It was used as a way to control the masses through fear. The sentiments of many on here is the reason why uneducated people were told that Jesus was the son of God and that he was resurrected. The church had to create awe and fear. A reason for people to go to church without fail or question. Advances in science and understanding now explains what is stated to be the work of God.
My opinion is that the core of Christianity should be the teachings of Jesus, an ordinary man that had an extraordinary understanding of man. I'm not fussed if I am classed as a Christian or not. Many people who would be classed as Christians, conventionally, do not live by or understand Christian values so how would you define a Christian?
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| Quote: West Leeds Rhino "
Many people who would be classed as Christians, conventionally, do not live by or understand Christian values so how would you define a Christian?'"
...and vice-versa, many who do not define themselves as Christian live by values that would be defined by others as Christian values.
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| Quote: JerryChicken "...and vice-versa, many who do not define themselves as Christian live by values that would be defined by others as Christian values.'"
Exactly! So what would you define as being a Christian then? Or are we now dividing Christianity into two groups?
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| In response to West Leeds Rhino
He isn't. If I mis-represent him, then I apologise in advance, but my understanding is that he a political supporter of Israel with a rather secular Zionist approach to the politics of the region.
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| Quote: Mintball "In response to West Leeds Rhino
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| I am not a religious person but the question still remains regarding the origins of the universe. This has yet to be understood, who is to say it wasn't divine intervention?
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1977_1349889235.jpg "You are working for Satan." [i:2886spie]Kirkstaller[/i:2886spie]
"Dare to know!" [i:2886spie]Immanuel Kant[/i:2886spie]
"Do not take life too seriously. You will never get out of it alive" [i:2886spie]Elbert Hubbard[/i:2886spie]
"We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." [i:2886spie]Oscar Wilde[/i:2886spie]
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "I am not a religious person but the question still remains regarding the origins of the universe. This has yet to be understood, who is to say it wasn't divine intervention?'"
Because we don't know (at this time) all the details of the origins of life etc - more accurately, we don't know what was before Big Bang - doesn't mean that the answer is in any way supernatural.
There [imay[/i be some bigger form of life out there, but it's safe to say that there is no evidence for any of the divine explanations for life etc that have been offered by any Earthly religion, whether now extinct or not.
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| Quote: West Leeds Rhino "The bible was produced when people still thought the earth was the centre of the universe. It was used as a way to control the masses through fear. The sentiments of many on here is the reason why uneducated people were told that Jesus was the son of God and that he was resurrected. The church had to create awe and fear. A reason for people to go to church without fail or question. Advances in science and understanding now explains what is stated to be the work of God.
My opinion is that the core of Christianity should be the teachings of Jesus, an ordinary man that had an extraordinary understanding of man. I'm not fussed if I am classed as a Christian or not. Many people who would be classed as Christians, conventionally, do not live by or understand Christian values so how would you define a Christian?'"
I don't know if you saw my edit on my original post, but i did change it "I don't know if you identify as a Christian", i don't want you to think i am trying to force you to define yourself as Christian or otherwise. It's really non of anyone's business, least of all mine.
You are the first person I've come across who has explicitly removed the divinity from Christianity, it just made me curious
Personally I would define a Christian as anyone who calls them self a Christian
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| Quote: lfb "I don't know if you saw my edit on my original post, but i did change it "I don't know if you identify as a Christian", i don't want you to think i am trying to force you to define yourself as Christian or otherwise. It's really non of anyone's business, least of all mine.
You are the first person I've come across who has explicitly removed the divinity from Christianity, it just made me curious
Personally I would define a Christian as anyone who calls them self a Christian'"
Didn't see it but read it as that, I think.
Divinity has no place in Christianity. The whole point is that we treat each other as equals no matter who you are. To artificially elevate certain people above others, particularly within a church is completely missing the point. My opinion obviously.
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "I am not a religious person but the question still remains regarding the origins of the universe. This has yet to be understood, who is to say it wasn't divine intervention?'"
If you're going with that then, who created God?
If something had to cause the big bang then how did that thing (divine or otherwise) get there? Was there another older God who created the current God? And if so how far back do you go?
It's more reasonable to presume that the Universe has been expanding and contracting over an infinite period of time.
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| What if all the world's inside of your head
Just creations of your own?
Your devils and your gods
All the living and the dead
And you're really all alone?
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