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| rlhttp://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/12/21/iain-duncan-smith-trussell-trust-food-bank_n_4486547.html?utm_hp_ref
Meanwhile the ever-popular Ian Duncan Smith and his Dept for Work and Pensions continue to paint themselves into a corner on the topic of foodbanks and in particular their continued refusals to meet with one of the largest foodbank organisers The Trussell trust, preferring instead to blame foodbanks for the rise in foodbanks.
Indeed a DWP spokeswoman said "The Trussell Trust itself says it is opening three new foodbanks every week, so it's not surprising more people are using them."
So there you have it straight from the DWp themselves, its nothing to do with poverty or forcing the unwaged and low waged to turn to charity for the basic foodstuffs via the medium of turning off their benefits, its the fact that the Trussell Trust is expanding quicker than any of the well known supermarkets can keep up to - of course its obvious really isn't it, you open up a foodbank and people will come, not because they are in dire need but because you give them free food - why didn't we notice this before, all hail the DWP for pointing this out.
What they fail to acknowledge, spectacularly fail to acknowledge, time and again, and again, is that I (for instance) could not walk into a Trussell trust foodbank in the same way that I do with Asda and demand a food parcel of free basic foodstuffs, toilet paper and sanitary towels (yes, those also), and neither can anyone else - you have to be referred to them by a qualifying authority which could be a doctor, health visitor, social worker, CAB and even the police, and arrive at the door with a qualifying voucher where they are given three days supply of basic provisions and lots of free advice, and a cup of tea.
Its not a lifestyle choice as the delightful Mr Duncan Smith seems to think it is, its not an alternative to the weekly shop down at Waitrose and the Trussell trust aren't opening three new outlets a week (some of which will be very temporary units) because they have a gaggle of wealthy shareholders clamouring for more and more dividend from their investments - they are emergency support centres which they would be happy to point out to the DWP if only they'd meet with them, but when you have the head of the DWP walking out a few minutes into a Commons debate on the issue you can see the problem that poverty charities have when trying to deal with these self centred single minded buffoons.
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| Quote: JerryChicken "rlhttp://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/12/21/iain-duncan-smith-trussell-trust-food-bank_n_4486547.html?utm_hp_ref
Meanwhile the ever-popular Ian Duncan Smith and his Dept for Work and Pensions continue to paint themselves into a corner on the topic of foodbanks and in particular their continued refusals to meet with one of the largest foodbank organisers The Trussell trust, preferring instead to blame foodbanks for the rise in foodbanks.
Indeed a DWP spokeswoman said "The Trussell Trust itself says it is opening three new foodbanks every week, so it's not surprising more people are using them."
So there you have it straight from the DWp themselves, its nothing to do with poverty or forcing the unwaged and low waged to turn to charity for the basic foodstuffs via the medium of turning off their benefits, its the fact that the Trussell Trust is expanding quicker than any of the well known supermarkets can keep up to - of course its obvious really isn't it, you open up a foodbank and people will come, not because they are in dire need but because you give them free food - why didn't we notice this before, all hail the DWP for pointing this out.
What they fail to acknowledge, spectacularly fail to acknowledge, time and again, and again, is that I (for instance) could not walk into a Trussell trust foodbank in the same way that I do with Asda and demand a food parcel of free basic foodstuffs, toilet paper and sanitary towels (yes, those also), and neither can anyone else - you have to be referred to them by a qualifying authority which could be a doctor, health visitor, social worker, CAB and even the police, and arrive at the door with a qualifying voucher where they are given three days supply of basic provisions and lots of free advice, and a cup of tea.
Its not a lifestyle choice as the delightful Mr Duncan Smith seems to think it is, its not an alternative to the weekly shop down at Waitrose and the Trussell trust aren't opening three new outlets a week (some of which will be very temporary units) because they have a gaggle of wealthy shareholders clamouring for more and more dividend from their investments - they are emergency support centres which they would be happy to point out to the DWP if only they'd meet with them, but when you have the head of the DWP walking out a few minutes into a Commons debate on the issue you can see the problem that poverty charities have when trying to deal with these self centred single minded buffoons.'"
So they should be banned?
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| Quote: BobbyD "So they should be banned?'"
Who ?
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| Quote: JerryChicken "Who ?'"
Foodbanks.
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| Quote: BobbyD "Foodbanks.'"
Why?
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| Quote: JerryChicken "Why?'"
Just asking.
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| One question I have about foodbanks is do they ask for any evidence that the person coming for food is unemployed or otherwise strapped for cash to the point of not being able to afford food at a supermarket? I ask only because I wondered whether it was possible for a well off person or indeed a person actually able to afford to pay for food to walk in and just get some food without cost.
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| Quote: SaintsFan "One question I have about foodbanks is do they ask for any evidence that the person coming for food is unemployed or otherwise strapped for cash to the point of not being able to afford food at a supermarket? I ask only because I wondered whether it was possible for a well off person or indeed a person actually able to afford to pay for food to walk in and just get some food without cost.'"
You have to be referred by one of several people, CAB, docs, social workers even the police.
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| Quote: SaintsFan "One question I have about foodbanks is do they ask for any evidence that the person coming for food is unemployed or otherwise strapped for cash to the point of not being able to afford food at a supermarket? I ask only because I wondered whether it was possible for a well off person or indeed a person actually able to afford to pay for food to walk in and just get some food without cost.'"
See above.
And you can't go back another day and in Oliver Twist style ask for more, not unless you've been referred again, none of which is apparent to IDS or indeed anyone else at the DWP because they won't talk to the foodbank charities.
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| I read that article and thought he's having a giraffe isn't he?
Days after being roundly slated for walking out of the food bank debate in The Commons he comes out with this stupidity.
I've referred people to food banks and I'd estimate that in the majority of cases the referer will have been round to the person's house and found the cupboards pretty much bare with little to nothing in the fridge. Accompaning this you'll usually find that the person is on card fed gas and electric that they don't have any money for.
I know people who work for a housing association, they've started collecting themselves between the team for food parcels by buying the odd extra tin or bag of pasta that they keep in the office, since the under occupancy charge came in it's fairly common for them to coome across people who are drastically in arrears with little to no food in the property.
But hey, it's a lifestyle choice, not a very pleasant one it would seem to me but it's their choice after all.
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| Quote: Sandra The Terrorist "I've referred people to food banks and I'd estimate that in the majority of cases the referer will have been round to the person's house and found the cupboards pretty much bare with little to nothing in the fridge. Accompaning this you'll usually find that the person is on card fed gas and electric that they don't have any money for.'"
Is that how it works, not only do you have to be referred by someone, those people who refer have to do a check which involves going through peoples cupboards, checking their financial situation etc etc.
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| Yeah that's exactly how it works.
Often, as I'm mooching about and spy a particularly unkempt garden I kick the door in rifle through the occupants cupboards, check their bank statements before casualy tossing a food bank voucher over my shoulder and sauntering on my way.
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Yes. You have. You were at the front of the queue here during the pensions dispute complaining about how overpaid public services – who you informed us didn't work in "The Real World" should be dragged down to the level of people like you, in "The Real World".
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"Do not take life too seriously. You will never get out of it alive" [i:2886spie]Elbert Hubbard[/i:2886spie]
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| Quote: SaintsFan "One question I have about foodbanks is do they ask for any evidence that the person coming for food is unemployed or otherwise strapped for cash to the point of not being able to afford food at a supermarket? I ask only because I wondered whether it was possible for a well off person or indeed a person actually able to afford to pay for food to walk in and just get some food without cost.'"
Did Jesus do that before helping people?
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