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and thank our good judgement we backed the right horse, I can only imagine what Corbyn would be doing, in fact it doesn't even bare thinking about.

Nobody who is calling out the Conservatives is saying what they :1q8p2hwzcould be doing differently.

The Government, in partnership with the private sector and the amazing British public are making a very good job of things in incredibly testing, difficultand unpredictable circumstances. Meanwhile The Unions are moaning about Furlough and 80% pay when people in the private sector are thankful they are even getting that.

Have Unison, Unite, TWC et al suspended membership fees?

(not comments directed specifically at you Mild Rover, you seem incredibly capable of discussing things without lowering things to bren2k's petty level.

I completely understand elite atheletes and others involved need a timescale, but [url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/52091224isn't this announcement a bit too early[/url ,before any 'exit strategy' is really apparent?

Are you suggesting that the circa 100,000 vacancies that the Tories chose to ignore for 10 years were never required and that had the majority of those posts been filled, the the NHS would have been overstaffed ?
Of course we wouldn't have had staffing levels to cope with the current crisis but, the starting point would clearly have been better, even a fool could see that.

And yes, of course, it's great to see innovation but, should we applaud this or remember what SOME people had been saying for years, in that, the NHS was already at crisis point.
It's great having 1000's of volunteers and in the circumstances, you would expect nothing less but, to pretend that everything was great etc, is just not how it was.

The final point is that everyone is now expecting the country to value the NHS and it's staff and rightly so but, SOME were saying this BEFORE the pandemic but, the TORY government chose to freeze their wages, forcing many to look elsewhere for work - regardless of the number of volunteers, we could have done without them not having left the service in the first instance



The Troy mantra is feck you this week and rely on you the next and people think that they are great.

There is some great innovation going on. There is also stuff like this. A medical fetish group donating their stock of disposable scrubs to a hospital because the hospital was desperate for them. https://twitter.com/MedFet_UK/status/12 ... 8878848002

There is some great innovation going on. There is also stuff like this. A medical fetish group donating their stock of disposable scrubs to a hospital because the hospital was desperate for them. https://twitter.com/MedFet_UK/status/12 ... 8878848002

You are entirely missing the point - deliberately - and then moving on to a false premise about innovation; which is of course something to be admired.

Any moron can see that a health service starting from a position of being cruelly underfunded and understaffed by 90,000, was going to be hobbled in its response to a crisis like this; some people have been pointing that out for many years, and been ignored or ridiculed - remember Theresa May sneering at the nurse and telling her there was no magic money tree?

It would seem that for all the talk of not politicising this situation, what people really mean is don't politicise it against the party that I currently like; because this lickspittle attitude towards a Tory party - the same one that's been in power for 10 years - is not the way a democracy works. We do actually get to hold to account the Governing party, and it's not treasonous to criticise their handling of this crisis, which has in some aspects been completely woeful - first and foremost their handing it off to an NHS that they've been systematically dismantling for 10 years.

Quote ="IR80"and thank our good judgement we backed the right horse, I can only imagine what Corbyn would be doing, in fact it doesn't even bare thinking about. Nobody who is calling out the Conservatives is saying what they could, [ishould[i orwhat Labour [uwould be doing differently. The Government, in partnership with the private sector and the amazing British public are making a very good job of things in incredibly testing, difficultand unpredictable circumstances. Meanwhile The Unions are moaning about Furlough and 80% pay when people in the private sector are thankful they are even getting that. Have Unison, Unite, TWC et al suspended membership fees? (not comments directed specifically at you Mild Rover, you seem incredibly capable of discussing things without lowering things to bren2k's petty level.'" I think Corbyn would be doing much the same as Johnson is. I agree it isn’t a traditional political issue but the there are going to be political consequences, and Johnson will likely get more credit or blame than he deserves based on events that are largely beyond his control. Life, and political life in particular, isn’t fair. If efforts beyond slogans and the end of this crisis are made to foster a sense of community and societal responsibility (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -isolation), then Johnson could pleasantly surprise me, and I’d welcome that, of course. This is so big that it is not inconceivable it could change him. I don’t trust him and would remain skeptical until the evidence was overwhelming, but you never can tell.

Quote ="IR80"and thank our good judgement we backed the right horse, I can only imagine what Corbyn would be doing, in fact it doesn't even bare thinking about. Nobody who is calling out the Conservatives is saying what they could, [ishould[i orwhat Labour [uwould be doing differently. The Government, in partnership with the private sector and the amazing British public are making a very good job of things in incredibly testing, difficultand unpredictable circumstances. Meanwhile The Unions are moaning about Furlough and 80% pay when people in the private sector are thankful they are even getting that. Have Unison, Unite, TWC et al suspended membership fees? (not comments directed specifically at you Mild Rover, you seem incredibly capable of discussing things without lowering things to bren2k's petty level.'" I think Corbyn would be doing much the same as Johnson is. I agree it isn’t a traditional political issue but the there are going to be political consequences, and Johnson will likely get more credit or blame than he deserves based on events that are largely beyond his control. Life, and political life in particular, isn’t fair. If efforts beyond slogans and the end of this crisis are made to foster a sense of community and societal responsibility (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -isolation), then Johnson could pleasantly surprise me, and I’d welcome that, of course. This is so big that it is not inconceivable it could change him. I don’t trust him and would remain skeptical until the evidence was overwhelming, but you never can tell.

Quote ="Mild Rover"I think Corbyn would be doing much the same as Johnson is. I agree it isn’t a traditional political issue but the there are going to be political consequences, and Johnson will likely get more credit or blame than he deserves based on events that are largely beyond his control. Life, and political life in particular, isn’t fair. If efforts beyond slogans and the end of this crisis are made to foster a sense of community and societal responsibility (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -isolation), then Johnson could pleasantly surprise me, and I’d welcome that, of course. This is so big that it is not inconceivable it could change him. I don’t trust him and would remain skeptical until the evidence was overwhelming, but you never can tell.'" There may be hope. Currently, we have the largest "state" that we've ever had during peace time and in general terms, the poorer people are being "looked after". I know that it's pure conjecture but, you do wonder what the Tory press would have said, if a Labour government had taken the self same steps. They are tolerating it, because it's Boris (and the Conservative Party) but they would have been frenzied in their attack on any Labour politician either advocating or indeed taking the same steps.

Quote ="Mild Rover"I think Corbyn would be doing much the same as Johnson is. I agree it isn’t a traditional political issue but the there are going to be political consequences, and Johnson will likely get more credit or blame than he deserves based on events that are largely beyond his control. Life, and political life in particular, isn’t fair. If efforts beyond slogans and the end of this crisis are made to foster a sense of community and societal responsibility (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -isolation), then Johnson could pleasantly surprise me, and I’d welcome that, of course. This is so big that it is not inconceivable it could change him. I don’t trust him and would remain skeptical until the evidence was overwhelming, but you never can tell.'" There may be hope. Currently, we have the largest "state" that we've ever had during peace time and in general terms, the poorer people are being "looked after". I know that it's pure conjecture but, you do wonder what the Tory press would have said, if a Labour government had taken the self same steps. They are tolerating it, because it's Boris (and the Conservative Party) but they would have been frenzied in their attack on any Labour politician either advocating or indeed taking the same steps.

Quote ="bren2k" It would seem that for all the talk of not politicising this situation, what people really mean is don't politicise it against the party that I currently like; because this lickspittle attitude towards a Tory party - the same one that's been in power for 10 years - is not the way a democracy works. We do actually get to hold to account the Governing party, and it's not treasonous to criticise their handling of this crisis, which has in some aspects been completely woeful - first and foremost their handing it off to an NHS that they've been systematically dismantling for 10 years.'" When the banking system melted down in 2008, the Tories and the right wing press did not waste a moment in 'politicising' the situation. They immediately attacked Gordon Brown's government for 'bailing out the bankers', for the size of emergency funding they were pumping in to the economy and for failing to effectively regulate the banking system over their 11 years in office. The point about failing to regulate the banking system was legitimate, apart from the fact the Conservatives had been arguing for [iless[/i regulation during their time in Opposition...until it became opportunistic to use it as a stick to attack Labour with. Osborne also then started saying Labour had "spent too much" on public services and "bankrupt the country"....despite the fact that only months earlier he had pledged at the Tory party conference to match Labour's spending plans... https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... vatives.uk So lets be honest, Tories complaining about something being "politicised" is just about them not wanting to be held accountable. They are the arch masters of politicising any situation, if they think that it can be used to their advantage.

Quote ="bren2k" It would seem that for all the talk of not politicising this situation, what people really mean is don't politicise it against the party that I currently like; because this lickspittle attitude towards a Tory party - the same one that's been in power for 10 years - is not the way a democracy works. We do actually get to hold to account the Governing party, and it's not treasonous to criticise their handling of this crisis, which has in some aspects been completely woeful - first and foremost their handing it off to an NHS that they've been systematically dismantling for 10 years.'" When the banking system melted down in 2008, the Tories and the right wing press did not waste a moment in 'politicising' the situation. They immediately attacked Gordon Brown's government for 'bailing out the bankers', for the size of emergency funding they were pumping in to the economy and for failing to effectively regulate the banking system over their 11 years in office. The point about failing to regulate the banking system was legitimate, apart from the fact the Conservatives had been arguing for [iless[/i regulation during their time in Opposition...until it became opportunistic to use it as a stick to attack Labour with. Osborne also then started saying Labour had "spent too much" on public services and "bankrupt the country"....despite the fact that only months earlier he had pledged at the Tory party conference to match Labour's spending plans... https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... vatives.uk So lets be honest, Tories complaining about something being "politicised" is just about them not wanting to be held accountable. They are the arch masters of politicising any situation, if they think that it can be used to their advantage.

that really is the final idiotic straw, comparing a financial crash to HUGE loss of lives, pathetic, even for you sc.

Spot on. And all these Tory apologists saying "don't politicise this" would be tripping over themselves to stick the knife in if Corbyn was the current PM.

Quote ="IR80"that really is the final idiotic straw, comparing a financial crash to HUGE loss of lives, pathetic, even for you sc.'" There were a lot of hidden casualties post GFC. https://www.forbes.com/sites/melaniehai ... tudy-says/

Quote ="IR80"that really is the final idiotic straw, comparing a financial crash to HUGE loss of lives, pathetic, even for you sc.'" There were a lot of hidden casualties post GFC. https://www.forbes.com/sites/melaniehai ... tudy-says/

As it turns out labour definately dodged a bullet with the election result, unfortunately the people did not.
The tories own outfight this debacle 100% from cradle to grave.

Over their austerity years they have systematically risked down such an event to enable them to take it off the table and allow the funds released to be trousered by their crony capitalist and stock market pals.



And even lyin boris has finally faced up to thatchers no such thing as society debacle , indicating she was no more than a simple opportunistic liar.

Says the returning banned type member, who’s not even fit for the rear end of a pantomime jackass

And let’s not forget how these Tory voting self employed and ltd companies operate with their 150k going into an overseas bank account, and 50k of that coming back into their uk bank account, for the accts to produce accts and dodge tax on



And how these guys have worked in the same office for the same company for 10 years, basically employees, but are allowed by the scummy tories to dodge income tax and national insurance by drawing dividends.

Oh and let’s not forget the £20k of mileage expenses a year for bogus journeys that don’t happen.

Fill yer boots

I do laugh at your posts, the politics of envy in every keystroke.

^ Your easy



Just remind everyone who got rid of ACT and introduced IR35 to eliminate all the abuse I stated.

And not forgetting how these Tory vote base cream off pension payments for them and their wives off the top line.

And the tories still bung them by £10 billion that should be buying ppe and ventilators

Fill yer boots

Indeed, and IR35 was so badly constructed that it is still having to be reformed. You claim to know about IR35 yet fail miserably with Corporation Tax, Dividends etc.

keep us laughing...

Go on, if labour did nothing to change it, just tell us who introduced IR35



I won’t hold my breath while I’m waiting,



So easy

Fill yer boots Troll

You don't know the market, you don't know how many contractors are or aren't working under service contracts or stage payment deliverable contracts etc. But carry on, it keeps you amused in isolation.

^ Wrong answer

in your little world, where you belong... stay safe.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 35981.html Ex Supreme Court judge is criticises the democratically elected British government... "Yes, this is serious, and, yes, it's understandable that people cry out to the government, but the real question is, is this serious enough to warrant putting most of our population into house imprisonment, wrecking our economy for an indefinite period, destroying businesses that honest and hard-working people have taken years to build up, saddling future generations with debt?" Is it time for someone to set up a crowdfunder to take the government to court to force them to reopen the country?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 35981.html Ex Supreme Court judge is criticises the democratically elected British government... "Yes, this is serious, and, yes, it's understandable that people cry out to the government, but the real question is, is this serious enough to warrant putting most of our population into house imprisonment, wrecking our economy for an indefinite period, destroying businesses that honest and hard-working people have taken years to build up, saddling future generations with debt?" Is it time for someone to set up a crowdfunder to take the government to court to force them to reopen the country?

Superblue can get comrades from all other countries with lockdown to start a class action.

[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_Who_Sued_GodBilly Connolly in lead role again ?[/url

Surely it is now Comrade Johnson with the nationalised railways, support for the NHS, paying people to be off work and now a Police state much like a favourite Conservative argument against Corbyn Venezuela.
We have cases of the Police warning a shop that the sale of Easter Eggs is not considered essential, dyeing lakes black and sending up drones to spy on people who are walking their dog at least half a mile from the next family. The problem is that essential was never defined leaving each force to decide their own definitions.
This is the problem with the government’s handling, everything is confused yesterday Gove considered exercise should be limited to 30 minutes which he later changed to 60 minutes. We have Raab today saying how they would deal with British subjects stranded abroad. The problem is they have been stranded for several weeks and as per usual he did not go into much detail other than it will follow later.
The government have gone with a trial ventilator from Dyson with the case supplied by JCB, I wonder why the government would favour these two companies. I expect Weatherspoon's will get the contract to provide the refreshments.