Ah yes the myth constantly peddled by the anti E.U. brigade, don't forget Turkey's imminent membership.

If I had to bet on either Britain sailing towards sunlit uplands post Brexit or the E.U. carrying on regardless, I know what my money would be on.

If Labour had grown a pair and properly campaigned for remain, we wouldn't be in this bloody mess.
Corbyn is still acquiring splinters at a faster rate than members He seriously needs to crap or get off the pot.

Does anyone know what he really wants (both for himself and the Labour party - other than gaining power in Westminster, which, with Boris still on political honeymoon, looks ever more distant).

The guy is trying to please everyone and it's not working

I have to agree with you mate. I really wanted things to change in this country and i believed we could roll back and go left. Unfortunately, the majority do not want to.

It's only a red herring if you are ideologically incoherent - you appear to be utterly happy with anyone from the EU walking or driving into the UK with no checks. How does that in any way fit with the immigration control/border control reasons that a majority voted for Brexit for? It makes no sense whatsoever.

And the Irish border issue is nothing to do with the EU "trying to stop Brexit", what a crazy POV. I think they are quite keen for us to just leave and stop the embarrassing side show now. The border is merely a side effect of another terrifyingly simplistic solution being put forward to deal with properly complex issues, none of which the people in charge are interested in dealing with or taking responsibility for. You can't detach yourself from the modern world, of which international trade, interconnectivity and the movement of human beings is such a huge part.

As for your freight from outside the EU point, it really wouldn't surprise me if, like so many Brexiteers, you haven't a clue of the huge amounts of administration that go into making that process work. I work for a company which imports about £30m of goods per year from China and we employ a team specifically to deal with the paperwork, alongside our freight forwarders. We don't need any of that for importing from the EU. But then I know you Tories are big fans of red tape.

Good to see the UK democracy running properly.
Cant win the debate so, shut Parliament down to get your own way.

It's no wonder that Trump likes Boris, dictators in democrats clothes

Welcome to the future

The outrage from the right-wing rags if a Labour Government had done this would be unimaginable.

We need to circumvent democratic institutions and conventions in order to get our democracy back. What part of democracy don't you remoaners understand?

Perhaps if we use our own produce or goods manufactured here that will reduce the chaos e.g. meat, vegetables etc. maybe the reduction in choice is a negative externality of Brexit - no bad thing in view.

Maybe my understanding is incorrect but I thought the object of the benefit system was to ensure that every person had a minimum net income - so if you are on a low salary the government tops that up to an agreed level. So slashing the amount people earn surely just increases the benefits the government has to pay to ensure the agreed minimum is adhered to?

Those who are unfortunately unable to work will see no difference which ever way Brexit goes - their benefits will be unchanged.

I'm genuinely a bit embarrassed for you that you're so unfamiliar with the benefits system and so lacking in empathy to find out or even care, that you think this is how it works.

Honestly, step out into reality once in a while. At the moment you're coming across like a parody of a Tory voter.

Oh dear, missing the point again
First of all, why the hell should we be doing anything that will his OURSELVES negatively ??
Secondly, the UK is a HUGE net importer, especially when you remove our invisible exports from the ledger.
Yes, we could use British bacon and lamb etc but, get real man.

Regarding benefits etc.
I'm not sure that any of us want to rely on benefits and those whop work full time and still receive them is a modern day scandal, effectively subsidising businesses for getting labour on the cheap.

Inflation will be the major factor, which will hit those in work, pensioners and those on benefits.

If you've been abroad since the referendum, you will have noticed that the exchange rate with the Euro is almost equal 1 pound = 1 euro (almost) and 1 pound = 1 dollar 22 cents

3 years ago (at the time of the referendum those rates were roughly 1.3 euros to the pound and 1.45 dollars to the pound. Therefore increasing the cost of everything that we buy based on those currencies, which will include China and India etc who tend to trade with the UK based on USD value.

This doesn't move inflation in a direct line. However you will notice everything from Mars Bars, Crisps etc all shrinking in size, which allows the manufacturers to hide some of the inflation.
However the very fact that the Pound has lost 30% of its value against the Euro, tells you just how strong the UK actually is.
WE keep being told that unemployment is down and employment is at record levels but, growth rates BEFORE any cliff edge economic shock, shot only 3 countries in the G20 (the top 20 nations in the world) with growth rates worse than ours and although there may be some small comfort in knowing that Germany isn't much better placed, our last quarter showed negative growth and it's vey likely that when the cliff edge is reached, the UK will actually be in recession and yet, certain politicians seem happy for us to take a further hit.

Boris is making public spending pledges on a daily basis, which may soften the overall effect of the slowdown but, where do you actually think the UK will be in 5 years time ? Better off, worse off or about the same.
Personally, I'm certain that in real terms (taking account of inflation) we will be worse off but who actually cares ?

Remembering that the MP's have all been on "Summer Recess" and that there are very few sitting days anyway AND with such an important issue to solve, it does set a dangerous precedent.
Having said that, for everyone who is opposed to the idea, there is probably someone who is fairly happy that Boris has done this.
Ultimately, it just shows what an utter facking mess that Mrs May made of her deal.

One worrying aspect of Boris's actions was the smile that it brought to Arlene Fosters face and again, remembering what could happen in N.Ireland, especially around the border towns, we should all be just a little concerned.

Is Brexit worth sacrificing relative peace in N. Ireland - I dont think so

Personally I hope you get the hard Brexit that the majority of the leavers crave.

After all, that's what you all voted for isn't it, or maybe you're one of the Liam Fox gang, who said a new deal with the E.U. would be a piece of cake. Either way 17.4M people have facilitated a right wing coup in this country.

If Dominic Cummings, sorry Boris Johnson's no-deal crash out is successful, it will have been achieved by around 150 ultra-right wing Tory M.P.'s & all the pay-masters & political aides, what a result.

But if you think the "normal joe's" are going to get a slice of a post-brexit bonanza you're either naive or deluded.

There you go with the insults again. Why do you in the remain camp think you are so intellectually superior to brexiteers? . Where did I say I want a hard brexit. I want to leave with a GOOD deal. However just about the only thing May said in this whole fiasco that I agreed with is that no deal is better than the turd she tried to serve up to us. I happen to think that the threat of no deal will achieve that but I admit that time is now very pressing but at least the EU know we are serious, unlike with May.