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Quote: LeagueDweeb "Ed Miliband making promises, but when he doesn't win next May, those promises are worth what?????'"


About the same as Cameron or Clegg's

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Quote: Standee "by his party, or the electorate?'"


By his party certainly, they're not called the Conservative and Unionist Party for nowt

Cameron's legacy will be "The PM who tore apart the Union"

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Quote: Standee "do we think we'll get a result on Friday, I think it will be close and a recount required.'"


Recounts are only allowed in certain circumstances, the closeness of the ballot isn't one of them

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Taking aside the general "chippiness" of many Scots and an in-built antipathy towards the English, what this campaign has shown is that many, many Scots simply do not connect with a London-centric political elite.

I do hope that this will extend beyond the Scottish border and way past the referendum. A major factor in the lack of engagement in politics in the mainland UK, is the belief that, apart from a few tweaks, politicians are pretty much cut from the same cloth and are in it for what they can get out. Modern politicians aren't interesting in serving anyone but themselves and their backers.

If Thursday's decision is NO, then more powers will be devolved to Scotland. Wales & Northern Ireland will expect more and I would hope for a groundswell of support for Regional Assemblies in England too. If London can do it, why can't Yorkshire, Lancashire (as was) or the West Midlands? There could be an assembly for the East Midlands, the South East, The Umbrias (North and Cum) and the West Country. Cornwall and East Anglia are already like foreign countries anyway, so just leave them to their own devices.

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I actually found myself agreeing with George Galloway on the radio today, when he was questioning the intimidatory campaigning of the Yes side.

The tactic of Salmond labelling the Yes campaign 'Team Scotland' is one laced with the type of division that could well lead to trouble on the streets of Scotland come the weekend - It is a label that suggests anybody voting No is not Scottish, or, at least, is not voting in the interests of Scotland.

Its also a tactic which makes me more convinced that the No's are actually further ahead than the polls suggest - I would reckon there are a decent number of folk who are scared to reveal their intention come Thursday for fear of reprisal.... Its a sad indictment of how sordid some of this campaigning truly is.

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Quote: King Street Cat "I haven't really been following this whole YES/NO charade. After catching some of it on Newsnight last night nobody seems to know what they're actually voting for. I don't know if it was the BBC staging it to look like a shambles or whether that really is the case. Then add to that the pro-union rally with Izzard, Murray Geldof et al all pushing their own agendas and the whole thing just came across as a circus. Had to laugh at media whore Michelle Mone when she proudly proclaimed she was a YES then realised she actually meant to say NO. If it does result in a YES I hope we don't end up with her south of the border.'"


Quite naively I suppose, when the referendum was announced I never thought it would get so close to polling day with so many major issues completely unresolved. I expected there would be some final horse trading to be done, a difference of opinion of £10b or so on how much of the national debt Scotland would take, exactly how the armed forces would be shared out, lots of minor details etc

It just never occurred to me that they wouldn't know the currency would be, that Scotland would be threatening to renege on the national debt, that EU membership would be unsure, that no one would have a clue on what basis the 2015 general election would take pace or even if it would take place.

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Quote: Cibaman "Quite naively I suppose, when the referendum was announced I never thought it would get so close to polling day with so many major issues completely unresolved. I expected there would be some final horse trading to be done, a difference of opinion of £10b or so on how much of the national debt Scotland would take, exactly how the armed forces would be shared out, lots of minor details etc

It just never occurred to me that they wouldn't know the currency would be, that Scotland would be threatening to renege on the national debt, that EU membership would be unsure, that no one would have a clue on what basis the 2015 general election would take pace or even if it would take place.'"


Apparently No. 10 have precisely ZERO policies in place, should the vote be YES.

Friday morning could well be a "[is[/ihit, what do we do now" day

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Quote: cod'ead "Apparently No. 10 have precisely ZERO policies in place, should the vote be YES.

Friday morning could well be a "[is[/ihit, what do we do now" day'"


Is that different to a normal day?

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Quote: Standee "by his party, or the electorate?'"


By his Party probably and the Conservatives will get trounced in the next election IMO.

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Anybody who thinks a YES vote will lead to some kind of friendly break up of the Union is deluded IMO. It's going to get pretty ugly and it appears it's already starting with NO campaigners being intimidated by hardcore Nationalists.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ed-debate.html

Anyway I'm predicting financial turmoil if there's a YES vote and will be running down to the nearest cash point icon_smile.gif
Anybody who thinks a YES vote will lead to some kind of friendly break up of the Union is deluded IMO. It's going to get pretty ugly and it appears it's already starting with NO campaigners being intimidated by hardcore Nationalists.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ed-debate.html

Anyway I'm predicting financial turmoil if there's a YES vote and will be running down to the nearest cash point icon_smile.gif


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As voters approach polling day I do hope some of the Yes side will look over the cliff edge and see the economic shambles that awaits them and then decide after all not to jump. The so called undecided voters have kept a low profile perhaps because there has been so much intimidation from many of Salmond's more unruly element therefore I think they are are more likely to vote NO. In which case they could swing it for the No thanks campaign.

However it still looks like going down to the wire with a very high turnout expected. No matter which way the vote goes on Thursday Salmond has successfully split the people of Scotland into two factions and there is a lot of venom and bad feeling and there will be around 40% of the population very unhappy on Friday.

If the No vote wins the day there is all the late 'Devo-Max' promises to be funded and put in place. This will have a huge knock on effect for Wales, Northern Ireland and most importantly England where pressure will come for equal treatment.

If the Yes votes wins then there will be a long long period of difficult negotiations bringing uncertainty which could harm our economic recovery. The mandate that Salmond keeps talking about if he wins in fact only gives Scotland the right to negotiate and the rest of the UK will be in the driving seat. Salmond's big weapon was the threat of independence and ironically if he wins the vote he will lose the threat. He cannot force the rest of the UK to accept his terms.

I hope whichever side wins it is by more than just a few percent. It will need a 60/40 size of win for the losers to accept it without too much acrimony.

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Quote: Standee "do we think we'll get a result on Friday, I think it will be close and a recount required.'"


If I understand correctly the count has checks built in to prevent the need for recounts, as there is only two choices the count if fairly easy.

Quote: Standee "If there is a YES vote Cameron will be ousted as P.M mark my words.'"


What you going to predict next, Friday follows Thursday?

Quote: Standee "They have won the last 2 elections in Scotland.'"


No they haven't.

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Quote: LeagueDweeb "Where is the resurgence in support going to come from?'"


The rag tag and bobtail that make up the SNP will all go back to their natural parties, the majority of the SNP's policies have been left wing to attract the Labour followers and members, after the vote no matter what the result the SNP will have to balance the books losing the left wing support.

Head onto any of the Yes chatrooms, they think they are going to set up a cold water Cuba!

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Quote: Big Graeme "If I understand correctly the count has checks built in to prevent the need for recounts, as there is only two choices the count if fairly easy.

What you going to predict next, Friday follows Thursday?

No they haven't.'"


Apparently each side can ask for a recount at the 32 counting centres, but not a total recount.

What I don't know is how long they have to request a recount. Hypothetically it could be that there is a clear result one way or the other at each counting centre but when totals are added up there's only one vote in it. Could each side hold back on requesting a recount for a few hours to see how its going and then when the last counting centre declares, request recounts everywhere, or at least at the main centres such as Glasgow?

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Quote: Cibaman "Apparently each side can ask for a recount at the 32 counting centres, but not a total recount.

What I don't know is how long they have to request a recount. Hypothetically it could be that there is a clear result one way or the other at each counting centre but when totals are added up there's only one vote in it. Could each side hold back on requesting a recount for a few hours to see how its going and then when the last counting centre declares, request recounts everywhere, or at least at the main centres such as Glasgow?'"


"Recounts will only be allowed at a local level and only on the basis of concerns about process, not the closeness of a result, according to Elections Scotland.

It is up to local counting officers to decide whether to request a recount - but only after they have given the provisional total to the chief counting officer.

There is no provision in law for a national recount."


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08:30
Souths
v
NQL Cowboys
10:35
Parramatta
v
Canberra
       Championship 2025-R6
17:00
LondonB
v
Batley
     Mens Super League XXX-R7
17:30
Warrington
v
Hull FC
       Championship 2025-R6
18:00
Sheffield
v
Toulouse
     Mens Super League XXX-R7
20:00
Castleford
v
Leigh
 Sun 13th Apr 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R6
05:00
Melbourne
v
NZ Warriors
07:05
Newcastle
v
Wests
     Mens Super League XXX-R7
15:00
Huddersfield
v
Catalans
       Championship 2025-R6
15:00
Hunslet
v
Halifax
15:00
Oldham
v
Featherstone
15:00
Widnes
v
Barrow
15:00
York
v
Doncaster
 Thu 17th Apr 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R7
10:50
Manly
v
St.George
     Mens Super League XXX-R8
20:00
Wakefield
v
Castleford
 Fri 18th Apr 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R7
07:05
Canterbury
v
Souths
11:00
Dolphins
v
Melbourne
       League One 2025-R6
14:00
Midlands
v
Crusaders
       Championship 2025-R7
15:00
Barrow
v
LondonB
15:00
Batley
v
Hunslet
15:00
Doncaster
v
Sheffield
15:00
Featherstone
v
York
15:00
Halifax
v
Bradford
15:00
Widnes
v
Oldham
       League One 2025-R6
15:00
Dewsbury
v
Newcastle
15:00
Rochdale
v
Swinton
15:00
Workington
v
Whitehaven
18:30
Keighley
v
Goole V
     Mens Super League XXX-R8
20:00
Hull FC
v
Hull KR
20:00
Wigan
v
St.Helens
20:00
Leeds
v
Huddersfield
 Sat 19th Apr 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R7
08:30
NZ Warriors
v
Brisbane
10:35
Sydney
v
Penrith
     Mens Super League XXX-R8
20:00
Leigh
v
Warrington
20:00
Catalans
v
Salford
 Sun 20th Apr 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R7
05:00
Gold Coast
v
Canberra
07:05
Newcastle
v
Cronulla
 Mon 21st Apr 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R7
07:00
Wests
v
Parramatta
 Thu 24th Apr 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R8
10:50
Brisbane
v
Canterbury
     Mens Super League XXX-R9
20:00
Warrington
v
St.Helens
20:00
Leeds
v
Hull KR
 Fri 25th Apr 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R8
07:00
Sydney
v
St.George
09:05
NZ Warriors
v
Newcastle
11:10
Melbourne
v
Souths
     Mens Super League XXX-R9
20:00
Salford
v
Leigh
 Sat 26th Apr 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R8
08:30
NQL Cowboys
v
Gold Coast
10:35
Penrith
v
Manly
     Mens Super League XXX-R9
15:00
Huddersfield
v
Castleford
17:30
Catalans
v
Wakefield
       Championship 2025-R8
18:00
Featherstone
v
Toulouse
 Sun 27th Apr 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R8
05:00
Canberra
v
Dolphins
07:05
Wests
v
Cronulla
       League One 2025-R7
13:00
Cornwall
v
Keighley
14:30
Crusaders
v
Whitehaven
     Mens Super League XXX-R9
15:00
Hull FC
v
Wigan
       Championship 2025-R8
15:00
Barrow
v
Doncaster
15:00
Halifax
v
LondonB
15:00
Oldham
v
Bradford
15:00
Sheffield
v
Batley
15:00
York
v
Widnes
       League One 2025-R7
15:00
Dewsbury
v
Rochdale
15:00
Newcastle
v
Goole V
15:00
Workington
v
Swinton
 Fri 2nd May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R9
09:00
Cronulla
v
Parramatta
11:05
Sydney
v
Dolphins
       League One 2025-R8
20:00
Newcastle
v
Workington
 Sat 3rd May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R9
06:00
Souths
v
Newcastle
08:30
NZ Warriors
v
NQL Cowboys
10:45
Wests
v
St.George
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
15:00
Leigh
v
Catalans
       League One 2025-R8
15:00
Rochdale
v
Goole V
       Championship 2025-R9
17:00
LondonB
v
York
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
17:15
Hull KR
v
Salford
       Championship 2025-R9
18:00
Toulouse
v
Halifax
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
19:30
St.Helens
v
Leeds
 Sun 4th May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R9
04:50
Gold Coast
v
Canterbury
07:05
Penrith
v
Brisbane
09:25
Melbourne
v
Canberra
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
13:00
Huddersfield
v
Hull FC
       League One 2025-R8
13:00
Cornwall
v
Midlands
       Championship 2025-R9
15:00
Batley
v
Barrow
15:00
Bradford
v
Sheffield
15:00
Doncaster
v
Oldham
15:00
Hunslet
v
Widnes
       League One 2025-R8
15:00
Swinton
v
Crusaders
15:00
Whitehaven
v
Dewsbury
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
15:15
Wigan
v
Warrington
17:30
Castleford
v
Wakefield
 Thu 8th May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R10
10:50
Parramatta
v
Dolphins
 Fri 9th May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R10
09:00
Newcastle
v
Gold Coast
11:00
Souths
v
Brisbane
 Sat 10th May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R10
06:00
Canberra
v
Canterbury
08:30
St.George
v
NZ Warriors
10:35
NQL Cowboys
v
Penrith
       Championship 2025-R10
17:00
Oldham
v
Toulouse
 Sun 11th May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R10
05:00
Melbourne
v
Wests
07:05
Manly
v
Cronulla
       League One 2025-R9
14:30
Crusaders
v
Newcastle
       Championship 2025-R10
15:00
Batley
v
Bradford
15:00
Halifax
v
Doncaster
15:00
LondonB
v
Sheffield
15:00
Widnes
v
Featherstone
15:00
York
v
Hunslet
       League One 2025-R9
15:00
Dewsbury
v
Cornwall
15:00
Keighley
v
Workington
15:00
Rochdale
v
Midlands
15:00
Whitehaven
v
Goole V
 Thu 15th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
20:00
St.Helens
v
Catalans
 Fri 16th May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R11
09:00
Newcastle
v
Parramatta
11:00
Canterbury
v
Sydney
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
20:00
Leeds
v
Hull FC
20:00
Wigan
v
Leigh
 Sat 17th May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R11
06:00
Dolphins
v
NZ Warriors
08:30
NQL Cowboys
v
Manly
10:35
Cronulla
v
Melbourne
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
15:00
Hull KR
v
Huddersfield
 Sun 18th May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R11
05:00
Brisbane
v
St.George
07:05
Canberra
v
Gold Coast
09:15
Wests
v
Souths
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
15:00
Wakefield
v
Warrington
17:30
Castleford
v
Salford
 Thu 22nd May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R12
10:50
Canterbury
v
Dolphins
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
20:00
Leigh
v
Hull FC
 Fri 23rd May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R12
11:00
Parramatta
v
Manly
       Championship 2025-R11
19:30
Sheffield
v
Hunslet
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
20:00
Huddersfield
v
St.Helens
20:00
Warrington
v
Hull KR
 Sat 24th May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R12
08:30
Penrith
v
Newcastle
10:35
Sydney
v
Cronulla
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
14:30
Castleford
v
Leeds
17:30
Catalans
v
Wigan
       Championship 2025-R11
18:00
Toulouse
v
Barrow
 Sun 25th May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R12
07:05
NZ Warriors
v
Canberra
       League One 2025-R10
14:00
Midlands
v
Whitehaven
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
15:00
Wakefield
v
Salford
       Championship 2025-R11
15:00
Bradford
v
Widnes
15:00
Doncaster
v
LondonB
15:00
Featherstone
v
Batley
15:00
Oldham
v
Halifax
       League One 2025-R10
15:00
Keighley
v
Crusaders
15:00
Rochdale
v
Newcastle
15:00
Swinton
v
Cornwall
15:00
Workington
v
Goole V
 Thu 29th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R13
20:00
Huddersfield
v
Leigh
 Fri 30th May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R13
11:00
St.George
v
Newcastle
     Mens Super League XXX-R13
20:00
Hull KR
v
St.Helens
20:00
Salford
v
Wigan
 Sat 31st May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R13
06:00
Gold Coast
v
Melbourne
08:30
Gold Coast
v
Melbourne
08:30
NQL Cowboys
v
Wests
10:35
Manly
v
Brisbane
     Mens Super League XXX-R13
14:30
Leeds
v
Wakefield
       Championship 2025-R12
17:00
LondonB
v
Widnes
     Mens Super League XXX-R13
17:30
Catalans
v
Hull FC
       Championship 2025-R12
18:00
Batley
v
Toulouse
 Sun 1st Jun 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R13
05:00
Souths
v
NZ Warriors
07:05
Penrith
v
Parramatta
09:15
Sydney
v
Canberra
       League One 2025-R11
13:00
Cornwall
v
Goole V
14:00
Midlands
v
Swinton
14:30
Crusaders
v
Rochdale
     Mens Super League XXX-R13
15:00
Warrington
v
Castleford
       Championship 2025-R12
15:00
Barrow
v
Featherstone
15:00
Doncaster
v
Bradford
15:00
Hunslet
v
Oldham
15:00
York
v
Sheffield
       League One 2025-R11
15:00
Newcastle
v
Keighley
15:00
Workington
v
Dewsbury
 Thu 5th Jun 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R14
10:50
Newcastle
v
Manly
 Fri 6th Jun 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R14
09:00
Melbourne
v
NQL Cowboys
11:00
Dolphins
v
St.George
 Sat 7th Jun 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R14
07:00
Canterbury
v
Parramatta
08:30
Cronulla
v
NZ Warriors
10:35
Brisbane
v
Gold Coast
 Sun 8th Jun 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R14
05:00
Canberra
v
Souths
07:05
Wests
v
Penrith
 Thu 12th Jun 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R15
10:50
Cronulla
v
St.George
 Fri 13th Jun 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R15
11:00
Gold Coast
v
Manly
       League One 2025-R12
19:00
Dewsbury
v
Goole V
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
20:00
Hull FC
v
Castleford
20:00
Hull KR
v
Catalans
 Sat 14th Jun 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R15
08:30
Newcastle
v
Sydney
10:35
NQL Cowboys
v
Dolphins
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
15:00
Huddersfield
v
Wigan
17:30
Leeds
v
Warrington
 Sun 15th Jun 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R15
07:05
Souths
v
Canterbury
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
14:30
Wakefield
v
Leigh
       League One 2025-R12
14:30
Crusaders
v
Midlands
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
15:00
Salford
v
St.Helens
       Championship 2025-R13
15:00
Barrow
v
Sheffield
15:00
Batley
v
Doncaster
15:00
Bradford
v
York
15:00
Featherstone
v
Hunslet
15:00
Widnes
v
Halifax
15:00
Toulouse
v
LondonB
       League One 2025-R12
15:00
Keighley
v
Rochdale
15:00
Swinton
v
Workington
15:00
Whitehaven
v
Cornwall
 Thu 19th Jun 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R15
20:00
Castleford
v
Hull KR
 Fri 20th Jun 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R16
11:00
Wests
v
Canberra
       Championship 2025-R14
19:45
Bradford
v
Batley
     Mens Super League XXX-R15
20:00
St.Helens
v
Leeds
20:00
Wakefield
v
Wigan
       Championship 2025-R14
20:00
Featherstone
v
Halifax
 Sat 21st Jun 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R16
06:00
NZ Warriors
v
Penrith
08:30
Dolphins
v
Newcastle
10:35
Souths
v
Melbourne
     Mens Super League XXX-R15
15:00
Warrington
v
Huddersfield
17:30
Catalans
v
Leigh
       Championship 2025-R14
18:00
Toulouse
v
Oldham
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Matches on TV
Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds-Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield-Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Fri 28th Feb
SL
20:00
Huddersfield-Hull FC
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Salford
SL
20:00
Leigh-Catalans
Sat 1st Mar
SL
14:30
Wakefield-St.Helens
SL
21:30
Wigan-Warrington
Sun 2nd Mar
SL
15:00
Leeds-Castleford
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
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