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Quote: Standee "but that's the problem, people don't walk away, they just take on the rediculous credit and then struggle to pay, under Universal Credit it will be even worse as people will get their benefit payments direct, rent will be way down the list of some people's priorities with cash in their hands.'"

that type of idiocy is not just the preserve on those on benefits. people tend to spend what they have.
but, people are walking away, they've decided to spend their money on other stuff like the debts they racked up pre 2008. my spare cash is going onto paying down my mortgage, not adidas trainers.

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Quote: Standee "only if the government legislate, and given that roughly 30% of the electorate use these services to finance their consumerism I can't see it being popular.'"


Its really difficult to calculate the repayments though, as illustrated ... rlhttps://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/01/16/wonga-henry-raine-maths-public-accounts-commitee_n_2488079.html?utm_hp_ref


Reading through that report though he does make some valid points and the MP's quizzing him make some rather naive ones (or try to), I hope their interview with him has enlightened them a little.

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It's interesting how many people bemoan the negative impact of supermarkets on local economies, whilst blithely tripping off to one every week for their big shop; it's similar to the phenomenon that sees people complain about traffic whilst being traffic, or about intrusive journalism whilst regularly buying the type of organs which purvey celebrity tittle-tattle.

A perfect example is the current storm of faux-sentimentality about HMV, from people who probably haven't bought anything from there in years, preferring instead to order from cheap, offshore based online retailers or even worse, steal their music and films from file-streaming websites.

We have become addicted to cheapness and convenience and in a recession, how do you persuade people away from that addiction? I'm not sure you can, so the high street casualties are likely to continue for the forseeable future.

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Quote: samwire "that type of idiocy is not just the preserve on those on benefits. people tend to spend what they have.
but, people are walking away, they've decided to spend their money on other stuff like the debts they racked up pre 2008. my spare cash is going onto paying down my mortgage, not adidas trainers.'"


Believe me, I know the people who are shopping in BrightHouse and getting WONGA or PayDay loans, they are still spending like crazy and see no reason to stop.

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Quote: JerryChicken "Its really difficult to calculate the repayments though, as illustrated ... rlhttps://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/01/16/wonga-henry-raine-maths-public-accounts-commitee_n_2488079.html?utm_hp_ref


Reading through that report though he does make some valid points and the MP's quizzing him make some rather naive ones (or try to), I hope their interview with him has enlightened them a little.'"


A couple of months ago, I did an interview with a debt counsellor. Pay-day loan companies turn her from a very well-spoken rather posh, middle-aged lady to someone nearly biting their tongue to stop themselves saying naughty words.

She was telling me how debt problems are increasing for a variety of reasons – parents supporting children who are unable to find work and move out, people finding that their hours have been cut and so on.

She's been seeing an increasing number of people who, in a panic that they can't pay the mortgage one month, take out a pay day loan to pay it, and then find they need a bigger one the following month to pay back the original loan.

Another thing that's happening is that companies are also threatening legal action and even bankruptcy over very much smaller amounts than in the past, and for debts that were not incurred a long time ago.

For which I actually have a personal example.

A few months ago, I had paid off everything that was outstanding on a credit card I had. Thought that was the end of it. However, it turned out that I had some payment protection (didn't remember that) and they continued to bill for that. Less than a month later, got a letter threatening legal action for something like £25.

Eventually got letters from them acknowledging that both the card and the protection scheme accounts were closed and that no more charges would be made. Final payment was thus made instantly.

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Mr Heath's take on retail casualties:

www.cityam.com/latest-news/allis ... -dinosaurs

Which seems to follow the consensus on here.
Mr Heath's take on retail casualties:

www.cityam.com/latest-news/allis ... -dinosaurs

Which seems to follow the consensus on here.


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rlRecession, nope, expanding Croydons shopping complexrl

does seem an odd time to be investing £1bn

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Quote: Standee "rlRecession, nope, expanding Croydons shopping complexrl

does seem an odd time to be investing £1bn'"


Why? Their other two places have been booming. Also there is the lead time factor - by the time its built they'll be expecting the recssion to be over.

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Quote: Dally "Why? Their other two places have been booming. Also there is the lead time factor - by the time its built they'll be expecting the recssion to be over.'"


so the fact that the Mayors Office are investing tax payers money when the rest of the country is meant to be skint is a good idea?

at least they'll have some nice new shops to riot in next time I guess.

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Quote: Standee "so the fact that the Mayors Office are investing tax payers money when the rest of the country is meant to be skint is a good idea?

at least they'll have some nice new shops to riot in next time I guess.'"


It is quite clear that the way for people to improve their lot in this country is by rioting. In Thatcher's era inner city rioters were rewarded with millions of pounds in investment and nice new leisure centres, etc. Why would it be any different now?

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Quote: Standee "rlRecession, nope, expanding Croydons shopping complexrl

does seem an odd time to be investing £1bn'"


It's due to start in 2015, I do hope that in two years time things have started to improve.
Anyhoo aren't we supposed to be encouraging the private sector to invest?

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Quote: Big Graeme "Anyhoo aren't we supposed to be encouraging the private sector to invest?'"


Just don't see why everything has to be London centric when it comes to investment.

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Quote: Standee "Just don't see why everything has to be London centric when it comes to investment.'"


It's the private sector, they can invest where they see fit subject to the usual planning regs.

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Quote: Big Graeme "It's the private sector, they can invest where they see fit subject to the usual planning regs.'"


you missed the bit about the Mayor of Londons office making a substantial contribution?

apologies, it seems to MOL investment is unrelated to the shopping centre.

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Quote: Standee "you missed the bit about the Mayor of Londons office making a substantial contribution?'"


The Mayor of London wouldn't be investing in Sheffield or Nottingham now would he?

Instead of whinging that everything was happening in the South moan to your council and get them to attract investment to your own area.

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