Wonder if he will resign after tonight's result in Hartlepool, momentum will want somebody more hard left making alienating tham even more from the working man

Maybe Labour need a proper hard left, Marxist, Communist in charge? Anti-EU, pro-Brexit, pro-Brexit party, pro-Gilets jaune, condemnation of identity politics including LGBT ideology, opposition to Scottish independence. The hard left sound like a dream for these left-behind, working class heroes in post industrial wastelands. Although the anti-capitalism thing might not go down well. These poor, left behind folk don't half love their capitalism.

Maybe just somebody they can connect with ,you know somebody from outside the London centric bubble,somebody like Caroline flint who respected the brexit vote ,a Democrat if you like

The old working class that formed the bedrock of Labour support for decades no longer exists in the post-industrial age.

The Blairite social democratic wing now seems old fashioned and dull. It asked people to be better without offering many of them much in return.

The Corbynite hard left inspires passion but only in a very narrow constituency, and is alienating to many more.

The Johnson Tories have reframed themselves as the champions of those neglected by a long period of quasi-centrist politics. Labour either has to come up with something new (and I don’t know what it is) or hope that people eventually see through Johnson in a post-Brexit, post-pandemic political environment. It is a poop state of affairs for Labour, and I think they might just have to wait it out.

The only chance labour have got is the 2nd coming of new labour ,ousting momentum and reconnecting with the working man of which there are many and appealing to middle England again

Plus your assumption that the old working class bedrock of support has gone is just wrong ,all the fa Tories, workshops and building sites are full of disgruntled labour voters who saw the last labour cabinet for what it was ,nobody who I spoke to who had been life long labour voted for them ,the vast majority voted Tory with a few that couldn't face the thought voted brexit party

It's all culture war stuff now, rational arguments about policy don't cut it any more. Unfortunately for Labour that's what they were, relatively, good at.

It's not a culture war ,its about listening to the constituents,Mary Creagh being a fine example, opposed the brexit result, she knew better ,got voted out and blamed Jeremy Corbyn ,didn't take responsibility for her own action and words

You make my point perfectly: Brexit itself is peak culture war, that's the point. It's not about economics or making people's lives better, even the people voting leave don't think that's the case. It's about winning.

Imagine voting for a party who’d rather spend money on a poxy flat than feed hungry children, and whose leader openly said he’d let the bodies pile high, which he did. I hope Hartlepool gets whats coming to them in spades - more austerity.

Labour have a big problem - they are so out of touch with everyone except the lefty elite in London and some university dominated towns/cities. Over time the young vote they thought was in the bag will flow away to the likes of the Greens and the SDP as we see all over Europe.

People are sick of Labour telling them how bad the country is - we see it on here all the time, especially when Brexit was higher profile. At least Boris tries to big up the country. Yesterday sending the gun boats into Jersey was a masterstroke of timing - what do you think Labour's response would have been? The Tories believe in the UK - Labour don't.

Boris wants to stop kids having to wear masks in school from May 17 - a very good move all round - guess who thinks its a bad idea? 12% pay increase for the NHS - its ludicrous.

Now we have agreed that carry big long term debt is acceptable we can have a slow gradual repayment plan so austerity should no longer be an issue to the extent it was under Osborne and the economy will grow rapidly in the next two years it will be difficult for Labour to make a dent - in fact it could be even worse at the next GE.

What Hartlepool shows is the tittle-tattle of Westminster doesn't register with them - even at a local level it seems Labour are losing council hand over fist. What are Labour's key policies - they need to lay them out and hammer them home for the next 3 years - otherwise you could see Labour becoming a fringe party of Marxists like Corbyn, McDonald, Russel-Mole, Burgen and the bonkers woman in the North East

No he doesn’t and no they don’t.

Let’s also not forget the fact that Boris first and foremost is a homophobic racist. People keep voting for a party led by a “man” like that, and they say the UK isn’t institutionally racist.

Yeh let's see if we can get Arthur Scargill out of retirement and in government ,the only way you old socialists will be happy ,worked well last time didn't it mind you it will be hard to entice him out of his plush canary wharf pad
Just face it the average joe does not give a flying fook about wall paper or the like ,they wanted results and believe it or not some of us are patriotic without being racist