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But not afraid to say what he thinks and always willing to take people on so strong regardless of peoples personal opinions of him. '"


He's a rent-a-gob for a lunatic fringe party because he knows he'd never make it as a mainstream politician. That's not strength.'"


Having met the man (he's also a passionate sea angler), I cannot disagree. He's managed to get more than a few fellow sea anglers on his bandwaggon by simply taking an anti-CFP, anti-commercial fishing route. When I asked him how those who live too far from the sea or simply didn't want to climb on a boat (at not inconsiderable expense), or spend their time freezing on a beach, would get to eat fish, if it wasn't for commercial fishermen, he mumbled something about me not understanding the situation and then went back to his rods.

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Quote: sally cinnamon "Thankfully David Cameron rejected this evil neoliberal deal and made sure that the UK had nothing to do with it. George Osborne has also increased borrowing by £158bn over the remainder of the parliament compared to his plans last year so the UK is making a strong independent stand for fiscal stimulus.'"


icon_biggrin.gif I'll save my celebration for when Cameron – or anyone else, for that matter – rejects neo-liberalism as a failed experiment that has done much damage to this country (and others) over three decades, and stops pretending that 'there is no alternative'.

And Osborne is grabbing a straws, since his original plans have simply increased the deficit and damaged the economy further.

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And Osborne is grabbing a straws, since his original plans have simply increased the deficit and damaged the economy further.'"


Do you have a suggestion for improving the situation that doesn't involve further borrowing? If so, I'm sure he'll be pleased to hear (as I would). Over to you.

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Quote: Dally "Do you have a suggestion for improving the situation that doesn't involve further borrowing? If so, I'm sure he'll be pleased to hear (as I would). Over to you.'"


As I have mentioned – more than once – we had a bigger deficit after WWII. We spent. We invested. We thus built prosperity.

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And Osborne is grabbing a straws, since his original plans have simply increased the deficit and damaged the economy further.'"


Do you have a suggestion for improving the situation that doesn't involve further borrowing? If so, I'm sure he'll be pleased to hear (as I would). Over to you.'"


It's patently fooking obvious that he doesn't, otherwise he wouldn't be borrowing even more than he said he would

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Quote: Mintball "Do you have a suggestion for improving the situation that doesn't involve further borrowing? If so, I'm sure he'll be pleased to hear (as I would). Over to you.'"


As I have mentioned – more than once – we had a bigger deficit after WWII. We spent. We invested. We thus built prosperity.'"


Bit of a difference we were only competing with the USA in those days - and we still lost out to Germany and Japan! These days there is too much global competition - unless there was a very specific plan to prime a new industry where we had a lead it would be throwing good money after bad.

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Quote: Dally "
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Quote: Dally "Do you have a suggestion for improving the situation that doesn't involve further borrowing? If so, I'm sure he'll be pleased to hear (as I would). Over to you.'"


As I have mentioned – more than once – we had a bigger deficit after WWII. We spent. We invested. We thus built prosperity.'"


Bit of a difference we were only competing with the USA in those days - and we still lost out to Germany and Japan! These days there is too much global competition - unless there was a very specific plan to prime a new industry where we had a lead it would be throwing good money after bad.'"


So we just build ever more supermarkets then?

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It's a sad reflection on politics in the UK when the 'best' we can muster as party leaders are Milliband, Clegg, and Cameron. Not a statesman among them.'"


that's the problem



The problem is short term-ism brought about by an adherence to neo-liberalism. All of the edlder statesmen mentioned previously were not shackled by being wedded to that.

Even Tory governments before Thatcher had were not a slave to neo-liberalism so had outspoken characters in the party. Today being outspoken means being Eurosceptic and that is your lot.

Ken Clarke tried to be a bit radical and was shot down. There is far too little difference between parties and within them these days.

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Farage is a total tossbag. He has not a single redeeming feature.'"


But not afraid to say what he thinks and always willing to take people on so strong regardless of peoples personal opinions of him. I'm not saying he'd be good as a leader of a country although i would like to see him win a seat in the commons just for more interest in PMQ's.'"


Plenty of people are not afraid to say what they think but it quite often lands them in trouble.

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Farage is a total tossbag. He has not a single redeeming feature.'"


But not afraid to say what he thinks and always willing to take people on so strong regardless of peoples personal opinions of him. I'm not saying he'd be good as a leader of a country although i would like to see him win a seat in the commons just for more interest in PMQ's.'"


It's easy to spout-off when you have been elected to a position you don't actually believe in.
Being afraid isn't an issue.

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Quote: Dally "
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And Osborne is grabbing a straws, since his original plans have simply increased the deficit and damaged the economy further.'"


Do you have a suggestion for improving the situation that doesn't involve further borrowing? If so, I'm sure he'll be pleased to hear (as I would). Over to you.'"


This is just so typical cop-out you. He is supposed to be the Chancellor of the Exchequer, FFS, backed by a huge and expensive team of highly trained Whitehall "experts" not to mention those at the BOE etc etc. And you have the stupidity to imply that we have no right to comment on the fact he is screwing up his job, unless we can also give him a full written Manual containing the entire solution. What a muppet you can be.

Let me put this to you. Lets say you were under the consultant for a complaint. Let's say over several months his treatment was not helping, but making you feel progressively worse. So you go in to see the consultant. He being the top man, expert, and backed by an array of highly qualified talent. You say "Look, doc. The treatment isn't working, and I'm feeling worse".

Do you then think a reasonable response would be
"Do you have a suggestion for improving the situation that doesn't involve further xxxx treatment? If so, I'm sure I'll be pleased to hear it."

Georgie said his medicine would improve the patient but it hasnn't. The patient is rapidly deteriorating. Georgie said he would only need to borrow £X. But he hasn't. He's already having to majorly revise his borrowing figures upwards. In short, all George's indicated sums he has got plainly and comprehensively wrong, and is now winging it and blaming everyone and everything but himself.

So he's fscked the job. He knows it, you know it. I don't need to have a solution to say that. Though it does seem blindingly obvious to me that (as just one suggestion) putting people to work in major public projects would be at the very least a huge improvement on inexorably lengthening the dole queues at a rate of knots and increasing benefits payouts by billions.

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Quote: Dally "
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And Osborne is grabbing a straws, since his original plans have simply increased the deficit and damaged the economy further.'"


Do you have a suggestion for improving the situation that doesn't involve further borrowing? If so, I'm sure he'll be pleased to hear (as I would). Over to you.'"


We're effectively choosing ways to be poorer. The cycle of borrowing back money we'd just spent had a flaw - should have been obvious, with hindsight. icon_biggrin.gifOH:
This happened at the level of people, banks and governments - it was a truly systemic problem.

So... higher taxes? Unpopular and hits growth. Thatcher wouldn't like it.
Spending cuts? Unpopular and hits growth. Thatcher would approve.
Print money/devalue the currency. Would boost exports. But buying stuff becomes more expensive. Inflationary.
Take your pick - they're all .

What worries me is that no steps seem to be being taken to address the underlying imbalance in our economy. Cameron seems content to prop up the system that failed. Getting through the current turmoil is the more pressing priority, admittedly, but I'd like to see an acknowledgement that we need to change Britain to avoid a repeat.

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And Osborne is grabbing a straws, since his original plans have simply increased the deficit and damaged the economy further.'"


Do you have a suggestion for improving the situation that doesn't involve further borrowing? If so, I'm sure he'll be pleased to hear (as I would). Over to you.'"


This is just so typical cop-out you. He is supposed to be the Chancellor of the Exchequer, FFS, backed by a huge and expensive team of highly trained Whitehall "experts" not to mention those at the BOE etc etc. And you have the stupidity to imply that we have no right to comment on the fact he is screwing up his job, unless we can also give him a full written Manual containing the entire solution. What a muppet you can be.

Let me put this to you. Lets say you were under the consultant for a complaint. Let's say over several months his treatment was not helping, but making you feel progressively worse. So you go in to see the consultant. He being the top man, expert, and backed by an array of highly qualified talent. You say "Look, doc. The treatment isn't working, and I'm feeling worse".

Do you then think a reasonable response would be
"Do you have a suggestion for improving the situation that doesn't involve further xxxx treatment? If so, I'm sure I'll be pleased to hear it."

Georgie said his medicine would improve the patient but it hasnn't. The patient is rapidly deteriorating. Georgie said he would only need to borrow £X. But he hasn't. He's already having to majorly revise his borrowing figures upwards. In short, all George's indicated sums he has got plainly and comprehensively wrong, and is now winging it and blaming everyone and everything but himself.

So he's fscked the job. He knows it, you know it. I don't need to have a solution to say that. Though it does seem blindingly obvious to me that (as just one suggestion) putting people to work in major public projects would be at the very least a huge improvement on inexorably lengthening the dole queues at a rate of knots and increasing benefits payouts by billions.'"


You really are a tiresome oik, always resorting to personal abuse.

You say he is screwing up, so I will ask you the legitimate question of why you think he's screwing up and what you think he may do differently. As you rightly say, he has a high-powered team of advisers (including the Bank of England) guiding him but you feel he and they are getting it totally wrong. Interesting that. I think the initials of your internet ID give me some insight into what your suggestions may be.

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Quote: Dally "...

You really are a tiresome oik, always resorting to personal abuse.

You say he is screwing up, so I will ask you the legitimate question of why you think he's screwing up and what you think he may do differently. As you rightly say, he has a high-powered team of advisers (including the Bank of England) guiding him but you feel he and they are getting it totally wrong. Interesting that. I think the initials of your internet ID give me some insight into what your suggestions may be.'"


1. I have not given you any personal abuse, and your claim is just bollox.

2. If you'd actually read my post instead of getting your knickers in a twist, you'd see I already answered both parts of your question.

3. He has admitted he got everything wrong, by revising all his figures and forecasts. Are you calling him a liar?

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Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "
Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "...

You really are a tiresome oik, always resorting to personal abuse.

You say he is screwing up, so I will ask you the legitimate question of why you think he's screwing up and what you think he may do differently. As you rightly say, he has a high-powered team of advisers (including the Bank of England) guiding him but you feel he and they are getting it totally wrong. Interesting that. I think the initials of your internet ID give me some insight into what your suggestions may be.'"


1. I have not given you any personal abuse, and your claim is just bollox.

2. If you'd actually read my post instead of getting your knickers in a twist, you'd see I already answered both parts of your question.

3. He has admitted he got everything wrong, by revising all his figures and forecasts. Are you calling him a liar?'"


Arguably, at t=o he made the correct choice. He has then revised it based on events. The point about a "credible plan" is a valid and important one because, as the French have been pointing out, we're in a worse mess than most. So far, by the government's actions and rhetoric we've avoided higher borrowing costs. I do not think that will necessarily last and if it doesn't the country will then be in big danger of collapse (and with few friends to bail us out).

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Hull KR
 Fri 25th Apr 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R9
20:00
Salford
v
Leigh
 Sat 26th Apr 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R9
15:00
Huddersfield
v
Castleford
17:30
Catalans
v
Wakefield
 Sun 27th Apr 2025
       League One 2025-R7
13:00
Cornwall
v
Keighley
14:30
Crusaders
v
Whitehaven
     Mens Super League XXX-R9
15:00
Hull FC
v
Wigan
       League One 2025-R7
15:00
Dewsbury
v
Rochdale
15:00
Newcastle
v
Goole V
15:00
Workington
v
Swinton
 Fri 2nd May 2025
       League One 2025-R8
20:00
Newcastle
v
Workington
 Sat 3rd May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
15:00
Leigh
v
Catalans
       League One 2025-R8
15:00
Rochdale
v
Goole V
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
17:15
Hull KR
v
Salford
19:30
St.Helens
v
Leeds
 Sun 4th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
13:00
Huddersfield
v
Hull FC
       League One 2025-R8
13:00
Cornwall
v
Midlands
15:00
Swinton
v
Crusaders
15:00
Whitehaven
v
Dewsbury
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
15:15
Wigan
v
Warrington
17:30
Castleford
v
Wakefield
 Sun 11th May 2025
       League One 2025-R9
14:30
Crusaders
v
Newcastle
15:00
Dewsbury
v
Cornwall
15:00
Keighley
v
Workington
15:00
Rochdale
v
Midlands
15:00
Whitehaven
v
Goole V
 Thu 15th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
20:00
St.Helens
v
Catalans
 Fri 16th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
20:00
Leeds
v
Hull FC
20:00
Wigan
v
Leigh
 Sat 17th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
15:00
Hull KR
v
Huddersfield
 Sun 18th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
15:00
Wakefield
v
Warrington
17:30
Castleford
v
Salford
 Thu 22nd May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
20:00
Leigh
v
Hull FC
 Fri 23rd May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
20:00
Huddersfield
v
St.Helens
20:00
Warrington
v
Hull KR
 Sat 24th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
14:30
Castleford
v
Leeds
17:30
Catalans
v
Wigan
 Sun 25th May 2025
       League One 2025-R10
14:00
Midlands
v
Whitehaven
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
15:00
Wakefield
v
Salford
       League One 2025-R10
15:00
Keighley
v
Crusaders
15:00
Rochdale
v
Newcastle
15:00
Swinton
v
Cornwall
15:00
Workington
v
Goole V
 Thu 29th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R13
20:00
Huddersfield
v
Leigh
 Fri 30th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R13
20:00
Hull KR
v
St.Helens
20:00
Salford
v
Wigan
 Sat 31st May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R13
14:30
Leeds
v
Wakefield
17:30
Catalans
v
Hull FC
 Sun 1st Jun 2025
       League One 2025-R11
13:00
Cornwall
v
Goole V
14:00
Midlands
v
Swinton
14:30
Crusaders
v
Rochdale
     Mens Super League XXX-R13
15:00
Warrington
v
Castleford
       League One 2025-R11
15:00
Newcastle
v
Keighley
15:00
Workington
v
Dewsbury
 Fri 13th Jun 2025
       League One 2025-R12
19:00
Dewsbury
v
Goole V
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
20:00
Hull FC
v
Castleford
20:00
Hull KR
v
Catalans
 Sat 14th Jun 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
15:00
Huddersfield
v
Wigan
17:30
Leeds
v
Warrington
 Sun 15th Jun 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
14:30
Wakefield
v
Leigh
       League One 2025-R12
14:30
Crusaders
v
Midlands
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
15:00
Salford
v
St.Helens
       League One 2025-R12
15:00
Keighley
v
Rochdale
15:00
Swinton
v
Workington
15:00
Whitehaven
v
Cornwall
ALL SCORES PROVIDED BY RLFANS.COM (SETTINGS)
Matches on TV
Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds-Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield-Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Fri 28th Feb
SL
20:00
Huddersfield-Hull FC
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Salford
SL
20:00
Leigh-Catalans
Sat 1st Mar
SL
14:30
Wakefield-St.Helens
SL
21:30
Wigan-Warrington
Sun 2nd Mar
SL
15:00
Leeds-Castleford
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
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