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Quote: Cronus "... Going into Afghanistan was bugger all to do with helping women. It was a direct result of 9/11 and the subsequent hunt for anyone and everyone associated with Al-Qaeda. That's the simple truth of it. All the supposed 'benefits' brought to the Afghan population are after the fact. The USA went after Al-Qaeda/Bin Laden with no exit strategy, and given what had just happened in New York as far as I'm concerned they were entitled to do so...'"


Yes. But one of the 'arguments' used in the media to justify it/garner support was to stress how the Taliban treated women (and others).

Quote: Cronus "... As ever, hindsight is a wonderful thing.'"


History's there for a reason.

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Quote: Mintball "History's there for a reason.'"


You are correct...

Its because it happened in the past.

World politics is a dirty business and always has been. Atrocities can be accepted if the overall influence of a certain regime is in line with what the rest of the world want for a region such as the middle east. Despite what we have been told, what history really teaches us is that at times (as mentioned) "tyrants" such as the Shah, Hussain, Gadaffi, Assad et al have suited the rest of the world (not just the west) as they stabilised the balance of power in the region preventing larger scale conflicts between nations.

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Quote: Off! Number Seven "You are correct...

Its because it happened in the past...'"


And he who doesn't learn from it is condemned to repeat it.

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Quote: Mintball "And he who doesn't learn from it is condemned to repeat it.'"


Especially true of Afghanistan.

We had three goes at it previously, even the might of the Soviet army couldn't manage Afghanistan. I don't think anyone has ever successfully prosecuted a conflict in Afghanistan.

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Quote: Mintball "Thank you.

A post that reveals again (were it needed) that you really do not have a clue.'"


You're not into satire / extreme irony then?

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'when my life is over, the thing which will have given me greatest pride is that I was first to plunge into the sea, swimming freely underwater without any connection to the terrestrial world' Yves Le Prieur, the real inventor of the aqualung:



Quote: Barnabus "What would you suggest?'"


Send a strongly worded letter, stating our dislike of what they are doing and ask them politely to stop.

Then, sit on the fence for a few more years.

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Quote: rover49 "Send a strongly worded letter, stating our dislike of what they are doing and ask them politely to stop.

Then, sit on the fence for a few more years.'"


What would you do – and would you also do something about all the conflicts FA linked to or just the one that's currently on our TVs?

If you don't think we should interfere in the others, why not? Why would Syria be more 'important' or whatever?

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Quote: Mintball "How about what [iyou[/i would suggest?

You want to bomb more people? You want to invade, perhaps?

Big, macho things to do.

Where next? Anywhere else with nasty leaders who do nasty things?

The interfering of nations in the internal politics of other sovereign states has frequently worsened such situations in the past – see Iran as but one example – why would it be any different this time?

And see FA's post.

On top of that, consider this

In other words, you haven't a clue what you would do. Right?

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Yes. rlThat's what I said earlier.rl

I do know, however, what NOT to do.

Are you in favour of us getting into another war, then?

And if so, can you answer the questions I just posted?

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We've got a very long history of allowing Middle Eastern dictators to commit atrocities and as Rober Fisk says

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Quote: cod'ead "We've got a very long history of allowing Middle Eastern dictators to commit atrocities and as Rober Fisk says'"


He does not, however, suggest a solution and, indeed, touches on the problems that interference have caused.

I very much suspect many would prefer Assad to remain in power anyway – better the devil you know etc – especially with the growing political power of the Muslim Brotherhood (and others) in Egypt and questions still waiting to be answered about what that will mean.

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Quote: cod'ead "We've got a very long history of allowing Middle Eastern dictators to commit atrocities and as Rober Fisk says'"


Fisk is right, but I completely disagree that we are "allowing" anything. In the context of all the various things which are going on in many sovereign states around the globe, saying we are "allowing" all those things is not a fair or correct use of "allowing". They aren't under our control.

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Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "Fisk is right, but I completely disagree that we are "allowing" anything. In the context of all the various things which are going on in many sovereign states around the globe, saying we are "allowing" all those things is not a fair or correct use of "allowing". They aren't under our control.'"


Very good point.

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Quote: "How about what [iyou[/i would suggest?'"


I suggest the commencement of air strikes on military targets in Syria, akin to the operations in Libya.

Quote: "You want to bomb more people? You want to invade, perhaps?'"


Yese i am all for bombing mass murderers and tyrants.

Quote: "Where next? Anywhere else with nasty leaders who do nasty things?'"


Iran. Then any other dictatorship.

Quote: "The interfering of nations in the internal politics of other sovereign states has frequently worsened such situations in the past – see Iran as but one example – why would it be any different this time?'"


Generally the interference of nations in the internal politics of other sovereign states has improved the situationOn top of that, consider this

NHS and EU funding.

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Quote: David Titan "I suggest the commencement of air strikes on military targets in Syria, akin to the operations in Libya...'"


I bet you got a stiffy just at the thought.

Quote: David Titan "NHS and EU funding.'"


I bet you got a stiffy just at the thought.

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