Indeed.



Directly affects? No. But it does colour peoples views on the man himself.
Mind he will have had to work hard to afford all them pints...

yeah,it's called hypocrisy

a bit like when the mighty Mr Kinnock a one time staunch anti European and dedicated Euro sceptic decided to feather his nest with the cosy (and well paid) EU Commissioners job - to make it worse he even got his missus a cosy little number in Brussels to boot !

they are all the bloody same !

can we add Lord Prescott into that, he wants to get even further into the trough and be Comissioner of Humberside Police (or whatever the role is going to be called)

wish he would sod off back to the Merchant Navy ....


they are all the same mate - bunch of self ed barstewards

it's even worse in france especially within the masonic lodges - even the uk equivalents won't touch them due to the corruption & nepotism etc - it makes me sick...

Not when he was leader of the Labour party he wasn't, he was calling for us to be in the ERM in the mid 1980s well before the Tories took us in.

That didn't stop Blair then saying the Tories had lost their economic credibility because of what happened to the ERM...

So, according to Standee & sanjunien:

If you're poor and socialist, you're jealous

If you're rich and socialist, you're a hypocrite

when Ted Heath

took us in the EEC in the early 70s (remember, WE voted for it democratically) Mr Kinnock was seen in the same light as Red Ken, Scargill, Red Robbo, Peter Shore and the like = extreme euro sceptics

Kinnock realised that it would be economic suicide to pull out of europe and so had to jump on the bandwagon, upsetting many of his contempories within the loony left/labour Party at the time - he had no choice but to accept the ERM in 1990 many years after his anti european stance

and correct, the Tores had lost their credibilty especially when senior Tories like the C of the Ex, Norman Lamont wasn't in favour...the crash was inevitable and it cost me a fookin' fortune !

not at all, Prescott is a hypocrite because he is guilty of crass hypocrisy.

How?

we are all capable of hypocrisy no matter what or who we are - it's human nature

we all have the seven deadly sins within us and can display them at any time, I can manage them all in the same day sometimes...

i'm not rich and socialist (ish) but very envious of anyone who has something better than me - I can't help it, it's in my nature and just like everyone else if they were honest enough to admit it

He said he would never take a seat in the Upper House, and then did! (popular belief is that he did so because he'd cheated on Pauline and it was his way of apologising to her)

Because of what happened to the pound when it was in the ERM, I think you mean.
i.e. Lamont sat in his office without even a TV to watch the currency markets and, as runners kep coming in to tell how much further the pound had fallen, kept throwing money at it, impotently waiting and waiting for instructions from the equally vacuous Major who didn't even contact him.
Then Lamont had the brass neck to say he'd never actually been keen on the ERM anyway ... didn't stop him from taking the job did it?

Yeah ... I think Blair had a point about Tory economic credibility after that, actually.


Your memory of it differs from mine.
In my recollection, Heath took us into the EEC without a referendum, and it was [uWilson[/u held a referendum on whether we stayed in.