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Quote: WIZEB "Tory ministers may be incandescent but the UN have told them how it is.
A fooking disgusting disgraceful tax!'"
Makes me laugh, the Tories invited her over in the first place and supposedly endoursed her visit.
Heres what the Huff Post say:
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Quote: WIZEB "Tory ministers may be incandescent but the UN have told them how it is.
A fooking disgusting disgraceful tax!'"
Makes me laugh, the Tories invited her over in the first place and supposedly endoursed her visit.
Heres what the Huff Post say:
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| Quote: Hull White Star "Makes me laugh, the Tories invited her over in the first place and supposedly endoursed her visit.
Heres what the Huff Post say:
Tim-nice but dim-Schapps couldn't savage a saveloy.
How w@nkers like him are dictating the political agenda presently is beyond belief.
Strewth!
I've nearly given up.
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They should have added that only Iain Duncan Smith (MSc Perugia  ) is allowed to do that.
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| Quote: El Barbudo "www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10300917/Scrap-bedroom-tax-UN-official-says.html
I love the bit from DWP ... "[iIt is surprising to see these conclusions being drawn from anecdotal evidence and conversations after a handful of meetings instead of actual hard research and data[/i".
They should have added that only Iain Duncan Smith (MSc Perugia ![]()
Their quote that the UN representative did at least meet with the Department and that Eric Pickles "popped his head around the door to say hello but we wouldn't exactly call it a meeting" (probably on his way to the tuck shop), is also at odds with the mouthpiece that is Grant Shapps who claimed on the BBC that she had not met with the department or introduced herself to any ministers at all - I can only imagine that when his strongly worded letter arrives at the UN it will be notated with a red pen and sent back to him with "0/10 See Me" written on the bottom.
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| Quote: JerryChicken "There quote that the UN representative did at least meet with the Department and that Eric Pickles "popped his head around the door to say hello but we wouldn't exactly call it a meeting" (probably on his way to the tuck shop), is also at odds with the mouthpiece that is Grant Shapps who claimed on the BBC that she had not met with the department or introduced herself to any ministers at all - I can only imagine that when his strongly worded letter arrives at the UN it will be notated with a red pen and sent back to him with "0/10 See Me" written on the bottom.'"
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| Quote: Chris28 "Or just ignored.'"
Its very noticeable that this current government, especially the Tory element, get themselves in some right hissy fits when anyone criticises them, and to think that we were all shocked by Plebgate, christ thats small beer now... |
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| Quote: JerryChicken "Its very noticeable that this current government, especially the Tory element, get themselves in some right hissy fits when anyone criticises them, and to think that we were all shocked by Plebgate, christ thats small beer now...'"
Basically, they don't like ...
The EU (because it's European),
The European Court of Human Rights (see above, even though the lead judge on UK cases is usually, er, British),
UKIP (for being, essentially, Conservatives)
The electorate (for not giving them a mandate),
The UN (for criticising the bedroom tax and not automatically agreeing with missile attacks)
The IMF (for not beatifying Osborne)
Labour (for voting against Missile attacks on Syria and making Cameron look like a supercilious, arrogant idiot)
The Tory back benches (for voting against Missile attacks on Syria)
Justine Greening and Mark Simmonds (for discussing Uganda, oops sorry Rwanda, in a "soundproof room" and missing the vote)
The LibDems (for not being Conservative enough, you'd think they'd be grateful for a couple of ministerial limos)
The BBC (for not being right wing enough)
The poor, old and sick (for being poor, old and sick and costing money that could be better utilised making rich people richer)
There are probably more ... |
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| Quote: Hull White Star "Makes me laugh, the Tories invited her over in the first place and supposedly endoursed her visit.
Heres what the Huff Post say:
Loopy Brazilian Leftie
Spot on.
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A dog is the only thing on earth that loves you more than he loves himself.
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"No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin. " Anuerin Bevan:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_19170.jpg |
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| Quote: Ajw71 "Loopy Brazilian Leftie ![]()
I'd rather be a Loopy Brazilian Leftie than a Tory 
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| Quote: Hull White Star "I'd rather be a Loopy Brazilian Leftie than a Tory ![]()
Hmm not sure 
How are you HWS?
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A dog is the only thing on earth that loves you more than he loves himself.
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"No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin. " Anuerin Bevan:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_19170.jpg |
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| Quote: Mintball "More than 80% (I cannot recall, off the top of my head, the exact figure over the 80) of all housing benefit payments are to people IN WORK.
People like that councillor are either seriously lacking in basic information or playing the IDS game of trying to use disinformation to play divide and rule.
If anyone's interested, he's on Twitter
I'd be interested to know where your 80& statistic comes from.
How relevant is that statistic to the issue of the spare room subsidy? That is, how many in work in receipt of housing benefit will be affected?
How does introducing the spare room subsidy into social housing differ from introducing into the private rental sector?
It's all taxpayers money being spent & surely resources should be matched according to need?
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| Quote: cod'ead "As predicted
No one saw that coming did they? Well no one of a tory leaning saw it. Economic illiterates'"
What reports are these figures drawn from? On what basis is the forecast made? There's nothing in that piece to support the claims. |
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| Quote: Mintball "And if your (already low) wages are going down long term and the cost of living is perpetually rising, it's next to near impossible – not least when a spanner is thrown into the works like a blown boiler, for instance.
You cannot budget for any and all eventualities when you've no room to move beyond roof over head, basic bills and food on the table.
We're not seeing a rise in food banks because nobody using them can budget. The same goes for Save the Children having to provide help in the UK. UNISON is seeing an increasing number of members (that's working people) needing help with school uniforms and winter fuel grants, plus debt counselling. I interviewed one such counsellor earlier this year – this isn't people spending way over their 'budgets' – it's people getting into a mess because their wages are too low for a very basic standard of living.
That's the reality of life in the UK in 2013 – and a reality that individuals such as Ajw71 either do not realise exists or prefer to pretend does not exist.
And 'budgeting' is frankly just a way of palming the ultimate responsibility for that toxic mix of rising cost of living and falling incomes onto those who are most on the receiving end of it.'"
Food banks were there in the boom times under the last government. So were the homelees & children in poor families.
Perhaps ask yourself why wages are too low. What is too low? Wages are reflected by the supply of & demand for labour. We have huge over supply so wages are low. Why do we have a huge over supply of labour?
Can you provide some referenced statistics on how much incomes have fallen & cost of living risen? How hard is it to cut back on non necessities & luxuries? |
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| Quote: Ajw71 "
I really struggle to believe that, for example, someone does not have the intelligence to walk round a supermarket & buy the incredibly cheap food that is on sale.
It's all about prioritising what you do with the money you receive. If people can't bring themselves to cut out habitual unnecessary spending, that's their problem.
I've been out of work, I've been skint, but I've never blamed anyone else for me deciding to spend money wisely.
There really is an 'it's always someone else's fault or responsibility to sort this out for me' culture in this country.
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