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Quote: The Ghost of '99 "Well yes, without both northern legs HS2 itself would never have been approved as the critical mass of benefits came building from all of it, not part.'"


Surely, it's more fundamental than that.
IF we are this top nation, showing the world how great Britain is, we should strive to have the best infrastructure that we can and just as other leading nations have high speed rail, the UK should be keeping up.
The decision to cull HS2 to the North East is appalling, its just as neccessary up here as it is "down South"

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Quote: wrencat1873 "Surely, it's more fundamental than that.
IF we are this top nation, showing the world how great Britain is, we should strive to have the best infrastructure that we can and just as other leading nations have high speed rail, the UK should be keeping up.
The decision to cull HS2 to the North East is appalling, its just as neccessary up here as it is "down South"'"

Down south won't fully benefit from it either by only half doing it though, that's the most stupid thing about this. You won't free up all the capacity to places like Stevenage and up to Peterborough because fast Scotland and Yorkshire to London trains will still be going down the old line.
It's just a moronic decision taken by short-termist fools who don't think strategically or act in the interests of anyone other than themselves and the people who pay them.

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Quote: The Ghost of '99 "Down south won't fully benefit from it either by only half doing it though, that's the most stupid thing about this. You won't free up all the capacity to places like Stevenage and up to Peterborough because fast Scotland and Yorkshire to London trains will still be going down the old line.
It's just a moronic decision taken by short-termist fools who don't think strategically or act in the interests of anyone other than themselves and the people who pay them.'"

If only they'd have consulted you first eh nod icon_rolleyes.gif

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Quote: chissitt "If only they'd have consulted you first eh nod I thought we'd finally got confirmation from you that you don't follow the news, don't read and aren't into the detail.

Given that, please forgive vs for not taking your views particularly seriously.

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Quote: The Ghost of '99 "I thought we'd finally got confirmation from you that you don't follow the news, don't read and aren't into the detail.

Given that, please forgive vs for not taking your views particularly seriously.'"

I'd have concerns about you if you did.

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Quote: The Ghost of '99 "HS2 is all about sucking the fast, long-distance trains onto one network and freeing up the existing network for improving everything else.
HS2 is all about capacity and segregation. Despite what some people keep saying speed and time savings are a side effect not the core reason.'"


Absolutely correct

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It’s cancelled cos of Tory voting Nimbys icon_biggrin.gif

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It doesn’t matter the reason because it’s stopping at the East Midlands Hub. I don’t know how anyone could think Boris had made any promises because that is complete rubbish apparently.

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Quote: Scarlet Pimpernell "It doesn’t matter the reason because it’s stopping at the East Midlands Hub. I don’t know how anyone could think Boris had made any promises because that is complete rubbish apparently.'"

Couldn't you sleep with worry icon_cry.gif

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"We don't care being lied to about major policies because... culture war / brexit etc etc".

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You can add to that shopping with a baby carrier on his back but no child.

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Quote: Scarlet Pimpernell "You can add to that shopping with a baby carrier on his back but no child.'"


It was a cracking and inspirational speech that he gave to business leaders yesterday.
The pressure is certainly beginning to tell icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif

And the debacle over the new social care bill, looks looks the new poll tax, with those with cheaper properties liable for just the same amount as multi millionaires - levelling up ??

True colours coming to the fore and stuff those up North. icon_surprised.gifops:

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I think he was just auditioning for the new cone head film judging by the photo. The man continues to be an embarrassment, he likes the benefits of being the PM just not the work.

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The fact that so many in the North switched their vote to the Tories, with Johnson as leader, because they believed his promises….. well I’ll go to my grave and still never work that one out.
Not as if he didn’t have form for breaking promises to wives, mistresses, bosses, constituents etc …- why did you lot think you were a special case where he’d actually keep a promise??

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