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| Quote: bren2k "Yes, those pesky, disagreeable Saudis...
I would suggest that, as ever, despite your attempts to create a false "is that what you want, cos that's what'll happen" dichotomy, there is a middle way between ignoring despotic tyrants, and selling arms to a regime that supplies international terrorism; you know that really - you're just being daft because you've been up all night watching Mrs May's grand plan fall apart.'"
No I was watching a terrible Tory campaign and leader without an ounce of personality beat a Labour party by 60 seats and c1m votes. Perhaps your "let's spread it all around" politics doesn't really appeal to those who generate the wealth to support all those grand idealistic visions?
Sometimes you have to do deals with the devil. Its call the real world - but of course you know that
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "No I was watching a terrible Tory campaign and leader without an ounce of personality beat a Labour party by 60 seats and c1m votes. Perhaps your "let's spread it all around" politics doesn't really appeal to those who generate the wealth to support all those grand idealistic visions?
Sometimes you have to do deals with the devil. Its call the real world - but of course you know that
The election was called at the perfect time to suit the Tories, by the Tories.
They were expecting to Crush Labour into irrelevance and give themselves an increased majority to get some more of their foul policies through.
What has happened is that they are now weakened and have no mandate to do anything too right wing, which makes their alliance with the DUP doomed to failure. There has got to be another election, we can't carry on with this hamstrung government & Corbyn has got traction.
Bit of a pyrrhic victory for the Tories imo
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| Quote: TrinityIHC "The election was called at the perfect time to suit the Tories, by the Tories.
They were expecting to Crush Labour into irrelevance and give themselves an increased majority to get some more of their foul policies through.
What has happened is that they are now weakened and have no mandate to do anything too right wing, which makes their alliance with the DUP doomed to failure. There has got to be another election, we can't carry on with this hamstrung government & Corbyn has got traction.
Bit of a pyrrhic victory for the Tories imo'"
A properly run Tory campaign would have crushed Corbyn. He has no traction - he is where Labour were is 2010. Anyone with half their wits about them could have exposed Labour's tax raising proposals for what they were - delusional.
Labour even had the gift of the London and Manchester bombings and still they couldn't get across the line.
People like you are complaining about the DUP but it would be OK for the SNP to hold the balance of power a party that polled <1m votes? I know Nicola thinks she is really the Queen.
Finally they had the greatest gift of all May - a front person who actually dislikes being in front of people Still they couldn't bring it home - they weren't even close.
Tory campaign with right presentation would destroy the vacuous Jeremy and his acolytes.
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "Sometimes you have to do deals with the devil.'"
As Mrs May has just demonstrated...
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| Interesting some of the reactions/views coming from the Grendfell Tower fire with some saying it's a revenge act against Muslims for the recent terrorist attacks.
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| Quote: PrinterThe "Interesting some of the reactions/views coming from the Grendfell Tower fire with some saying it's a revenge act against Muslims for the recent terrorist attacks.'"
It's Grenfell.
Who is saying that? I'm usually across the news, and I haven't heard that said anywhere, by anyone. I did see the Daily Mail print a picture of an Ethopian guy who's faiulty fridge apparently started the fire, but notably, they didn't print any pictures of any of the people who decided to allow the building to be clad in flammable material; or the 72 Tory landlords who voted down Corbyn's bill to make it mandatory that all rented property should be safe and habitable...
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| You haven't seen it anywhere??? Must be very selective with what you watch and read.
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| Quote: PrinterThe "Interesting some of the reactions/views coming from the Grendfell Tower fire with some saying it's a revenge act against Muslims for the recent terrorist attacks.'"
And do you think that is the case here
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| Quote: bren2k "It's Grenfell.
Who is saying that? I'm usually across the news, and I haven't heard that said anywhere, by anyone. I did see the Daily Mail print a picture of an Ethopian guy who's faiulty fridge apparently started the fire, but notably, they didn't print any pictures of any of the people who decided to allow the building to be clad in flammable material; or the 72 Tory landlords who voted down Corbyn's bill to make it mandatory that all rented property should be safe and habitable...'"
The interview was conducted by Victoria Devonshire.
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| Quote: Backwoodsman "The interview was conducted by Victoria Devonshire.'"
I assume you mean Derbyshire - and either way, that one has got past me; I've seen nothing related to a revenge attack - apart from last night of course, when a real life one occurred. Congratulations to those people who want to create division and pit us against each other - that's a win for Tommy Robinson, Katie Hopkins, the Daily Mail and all their hateful ilk - and of course ISIS, because this is exactly what they want when they target innocent people in the UK.
It's genuinely scary to think about where this will end.
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| Quote: bren2k "I assume you mean Derbyshire - and either way, that one has got past me; I've seen nothing related to a revenge attack - apart from last night of course, when a real life one occurred. Congratulations to those people who want to create division and pit us against each other - that's a win for Tommy Robinson, Katie Hopkins, the Daily Mail and all their hateful ilk - and of course ISIS, because this is exactly what they want when they target innocent people in the UK.
It's genuinely scary to think about where this will end.'"
People having genuine concerns about immigration, and specifically immigration from countries where the UK is, to put it lightly, not thought very well of, is not hatred, it's just common sense. You wouldn't invite a man who had designs on sleeping with kids into your family home, would you?
Last night's attack was, unfortunately, inevitable. But you could of course say that if we didn't have a problem with Islamic terrorism (which we clearly do), a nutjob like last night's attacker would have no motive. But then if 'we' hadn't flattened cities in the Middle East on false pre-tenses then maybe we wouldn't have an Islamic terrorist problem either.
Either way, an eye for an eye makes the world go blind etc.... These are bad times we're facing.
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| Quote: bren2k "I assume you mean Derbyshire - and either way, that one has got past me; I've seen nothing related to a revenge attack - apart from last night of course, when a real life one occurred. Congratulations to those people who want to create division and pit us against each other - that's a win for Tommy Robinson, Katie Hopkins, the Daily Mail and all their hateful ilk - and of course ISIS, because this is exactly what they want when they target innocent people in the UK.
It's genuinely scary to think about where this will end.'"
What happened last night was inevitable and exactly one of the reasons why people say we need to get tougher on Muslim extremists. The staggering naivety of people to think we could keep having attack after attack after attack and just react with "carry on as normal", hashtags #prayfor and candlelight vigils and shooting down and dismissing anyone who says more needs to be done and we need to be tougher.
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| Quote: PrinterThe "What happened last night was inevitable and exactly one of the reasons why people say we need to get tougher on Muslim extremists. The staggering naivety of people to think we could keep having attack after attack after attack and just react with "carry on as normal", hashtags #prayfor and candlelight vigils and shooting down and dismissing anyone who says more needs to be done and we need to be tougher.'"
Where has anyone said we should just carry on as normal? Anyone?
What do you suggest we do tougher?
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| Quote: PrinterThe "What happened last night was inevitable and exactly one of the reasons why people say we need to get tougher on Muslim extremists. The staggering naivety of people to think we could keep having attack after attack after attack and just react with "carry on as normal", hashtags #prayfor and candlelight vigils and shooting down and dismissing anyone who says more needs to be done and we need to be tougher.'"
How should we get tougher - bigger vans?
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| Quote: bren2k "How should we get tougher - bigger vans?'"
The attack at Finsbury Park is exactly the reaction that ISIS would wish for as it starts to turn this into a religious war, which perhaps, is what we already had.
However, this is dangerous territory and it wouldn't take much for these things to become regular tit for tat events and where that would leave us is anyone's guess.
I dont think that any one has the answers to this and we're all heading for a very uncertain future
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