Really? We voted to leave on a tide of anti-European vitriol & abuse. We now want to keep the best bits & are surprised & offended when the EU stand by their principles. So we spew out more anti-European & personal vitriol & abuse.

Oh, I get it, this is no longer a forum for expressing views on certain subjects, it no a platform to provoke a march against government policy ??

If there is a march/protest against Universal Credit, you may well see me there.

This Government, not the EU, has destroyed our health system.
This Government, not the EU, has destroyed our social services.
This Government, not the EU, has destroyed our education system.
This Government, not the EU, has destroyed our public transport system.
This Government, not the EU, has destroyed our public utilities.
This Government, not the EU, are destroying our police & armed forces.

FYI we do not elect our own PM.

Compared to how much say we get in selecting our all-powerful and non-removable EU Presidents, we practically hand-pick our PMs and drop them off at No.10 with a packed lunch.

How are they non-removable?

MEP’s and governments of the 28 put them in place. Quite democratic.

Read about Martin selmayr, also the appointment of the drunkard , in spite of protests from several countries. Including David Cameron. Note that the EU have threatened Italy with a heavy fine ,because they don’t approve of the Italian governments budget. Democratic, definitely not.

Reading the guardian again ?. Definitely not good for your health.

A civil servant.
26-2
Those are the rules they signed up to and we've learned that the EU are excellent negotiators.

All sounds democratic to me.

You say that threatening Italy is undemocratic.
However, they were not forced to be part of the EU and are more than happy to take the benefits.

Surely, on thet basis, they have to adhere to the rules.
You cant have a "common" currency and allow individual nations to go solo on their fisical policy.

There is some "wiggle" room but, their has to be some control.

Just imagine if the UK had signed up for the Euro ??

Blood in the streets. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features ... -the-crash https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-st ... -1-5580360 Not the best photo Nigel.

Blood in the streets. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features ... -the-crash https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-st ... -1-5580360 Not the best photo Nigel.

Cracking riposte & defence of Tory policy.

Like Sepp Blatter and FIFA

Thanks, much appreciated. Can’t remember mentioning anything about Tory policy though.

Where do we stand on "no deal is better than a bad deal".
Clearly, Mrs May's efforts are viewed as a bad deal (it looks like she will lose the vote by 50/60 votes ?), therefore, should we go for the dreaded "no deal".
Labour are pretending that they could somehow gain a mythical good deal if they were in power and negotiating but this seems nothing more than fake news.
Therefore we have 3 options:

No deal
Bad deal
Remain in the EU

Even as a staunch remainer, I'm not happy with the though of a second referendum, it will just muddy the waters further and prolong the agony and uncertainty that we have endured for the last 2+ years (and we still haven't toughed the actual trade deal).

Although the Brexitiers, full of bravado say that we should "just get out" with no deal, there seems consensus on all sides that this will most likely throw us back into a recession or, very close to it and it looks to be the worst economic outcome (at least in the short/medium term).

So what next ?