I was under the impression that many Ukranians welcomed the nazis to free them from Soviet policies. Some even ended up in the Galician SS.

Here's an interesting article on the Ukraine. I found it in a paper that wasn't the Telegraph or Mail, so people would read it. www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/0 ... 88865.html

Here's an interesting article on the Ukraine. I found it in a paper that wasn't the Telegraph or Mail, so people would read it. www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/0 ... 88865.html

We're getting pretty used to it from you!!!

No they aren't. Not in the minds of normal right thinking members of society.

Please elaborate?

Nice one.

I still think you've logged on as the wrong "personality" though, the Ajw one is supposed to be some sort of thick "William Hague as a kid at the party conference" persona.

You're delusional. Provide some evidence of this other account or do us all a favour and give your fingers a rest hey.

No, you're definitely using the wrong login here, you've come back with the wrong hat on, has the other one been banned ?

Yawn....delusional

Quite a leap going on to compare contemporary events with 1930's Germany.

Western media were speculating of a possible extermination of Jewry as early as 1933. World nations met at Evian discussing how to solve Germany's Jewish Question in 1938 and both Hitler and Goering openly spoke of exterminating Jews should 'they' cause another world war.

What's happening today isn't right but it's hardly state coercion and sponsorship of racist ideology either. I think we're unlikely to see Cameron/Obama etc authorise the murders of women and children. I'd be shocked to see an entire systematic bureaucracy created under the eyes of a biological fiend with the sole aim of exterminating an entire people. Let's remember that in Eastern Europe, between 50 and 90% of every nation's Jews were lost.

One final thing. We aren't likely to see a Tory manifesto include anything like a 'Final Solution', in exactly the same manner you didn't find a Nazi one including it. The Germans decided on the Final Solution some time between summer 1941 and early 1942. No records exist of the decision being taken and historians still quibble over it today.

Having said that, it was a one off. Perhaps the most deplorable event in history. The world knew of its possibility pre-war, the Germans never hid their antisemitism and still nothing was done. Many horrific things have happened in time but comparing to that is a stretch in my view.

Again, you're taking the extreme stance on how politicians work the media and the general public today, they don't have an agenda to exterminate millions of citizens of course, but they do have an agenda to alienate hundreds of thousands of them by use of a compliant media driven message using phrases such as "scroungers and shirkers" and I've even seen a quote attributed to IDS (no link so no hard proof) that "Work actually helps free people" when he was speaking of his Workfare program but which is rather similar to one which I recall from somewhere else.

When you try to deflect blame from the causes of the 2007 world financial collapse towards the poor, unemployed, sick and disabled and your media outlets follow your party line compliantly (and stick to it without question for five years) THEN you will draw comparison to the 1930s - note, no-one has drawn comparison to the 1940s, other than the two of you.

I agree that an agenda exists to 'alienate' the poorer classes in today's Britain. I just think it's a stretch to compare it to the Holocaust. The statement 'work frees people' is eerily similar to 'Arbeit Macht Frei' above the gate at Auschwitz, 'work makes you free'. I'd be amazed if IDS said that and it would be an incredibly unfortunate use of language.

The interwar period saw the rise of the far right AND far left. It's important to remember that. Certainly, the UK saw a dramatic increase in consideration for the poor. Much of the old order of Europe saw leftism as well as rightism. Largely because of a perceived failure of democracy to resolve poverty, enfranchise the peoples and ultimately, avoid war. Very different scenario to today.