I'm a big fan of the old 'assisted suicide' policy...When my old lady passed away in the early 80's at 42 years of age we had a very helpful family doctor. After rotting in her bed down to skin and bones with the big C my two aunties (who were her sister, and both nurses) asked the doc to make sure the final jab of morphine he gave her would be enough...Fair play to him, he did and she was dead as a dodo within minutes! A great sense of relief finally pervaded...If only he'd have done it a year earlier.

The list is endless Sheldon, I can't think of a single bible basher I'd want to spend eternity with, although I've often pondered asking "god" why he put nerves in teeth, and just what wasps are for.

I like to think, where I the son of an omnipresent creator of all known things, that I'd have more important things to do than give a personal audience to kirkstaller, like, oh, I don't know, inventing naked billiards and indulging a couple of hotties in Las Vegas, maybe?

But then I wouldn't, as an omnipresent and benevolent god, have raped a woman, forced her to birth in a stable, tortured various people, murdered the entire population, encouraged my son to have slept with a prostitute and then have him nailed to a cross in the name of "salvation".

but I would have had the porridge and slept in daddy bears bed, that's just the way I roll.

My father, in his time as a clergyman, says that doctors have told him that that happens or has happened quite a few times. And it was viewed as a mercy.

It doesn't quite address the same situation as this case, though, where the patient themselves could make the choice and the decision.

rlThis is, I think, a very good – and honest – piece, from a religious person.rl

My paternal grandmother had to have her left leg removed at the knee after developing gangrene in her foot. She was 83 and had been bed-reidden for a year. She slowly deteriorated until eventually dying.

My maternal grandfather was admitted to hospital after complications with a catheter. While in there he developed gangrene. Had the doctor said to my mother that it would be better to give him an overdose she would have agreed straight away. Watching a loved one slowly deteriorate and waste away is one of the worst experiences I have ever suffered. I wouldn't wish it on anyone. Every time I visited my grandfather it killed me a little inside. My grandfather was a strong and vibrant man who played sports and worked until suffering a stroke at 81. What was left in that bed was a mumbling wreck of a human being with no spark of life or anything.

We wouldn't treat dogs like that why do we do it with human beings?

To be fair, I doubt Thora and Harry were [iBible[/i bashers particularly. The majority of people with a religious belief do keep it primarily as a personal matter. It's only a small number that proselytise and even within that group, it's a smaller number who are quite such unquestioning fundamentalists as Kirkstaller.

There's a colleague I occasionally have a drink withPompeii[/i, and the chapter on religions was almost as fascinating as the one on sex.

If only kirkstaller had lived in the vicinity....I'm sure he wouldn't have minded popping round to give us a hand with dressing her bedsores and mopping up her anal and vaginal liquid leakages! That way she may have lasted for another couple of months, died a natural death, and sailed off on a fluffy cloud to meet kirkstaller's maker? Damn!!!

this still open, shame

any thread exposing a fundamentalist nutjob for being what they are is welcome as far as I am concerned, you can agree and disagree about politics etc. but nobody can (reasonably) deny that kirkstaller is an abhorrent human being.

Did he, though? Wasn't the Bible quite clear that the messiah would be of David's line (as seemingly Joseph was)? So, either Joe was the daddy, in which case the Holy Ghost is innocent and we never had a son of god, or he is guilty, in which case Jesus was not of the line of David.

i don't disagree but i think the point has been established.

One quote I found this morningWhich firefighter do you think will do a better job?

1) The atheist who knows if he fails to rescue the baby, that’s it for that child.

2) The Christian who imagines if he lets the baby die, it will soon be in Jesus’s crowded arms. The pain and trauma will be erased allowing the child to enjoy a heavenly existence considerably better than it would have enjoyed on earth.[/i

More from the same source rlHERErl

Freddie Mercury is my God. Just don't tell kirkstaller or he'll say I'll burn in hell for that.

Which was the news paper that suggested he deserved to get AIDS and die due to his "alternative" life style?

I'm sorry, I never set out to offend anyone. What you have said is really quite upsetting, did you know?