It's fairly obvious what Labour would do differently, end austerity.

What is really galling with the current situation is the endless "bragging" about our strong and stable economy and record numbers in employment and yet, we are slashing and burning the public sector.
Something clearly doesn't add up.

The reality is that we are creating very low paid jobs, which are not contributing to the exchequer and allowing too many people to avoid their share of taxation.

Our "strong" economy is an absolute myth and like turkeys voting for Christmas, we are stepping into the unknown of life outside the EU.

Apparently, trading with Australia and the US is going to save us ?

This thread is hilarious. Better than the Facebook wannabe politicians. When in reality you know nothing lol

Regards

King James

Myth according to whom? Typical remoaner, peddling lies. As I have said, I wanted to remain, but we aren't so I'll get on with it!

Do you really believe the U.K. economy is in rude health?




I would argue that there were more lies peddled by the racists, sorry brexiteers, at the time of the referendum, I was under the impression that Turkey was joining the E.U. as early as last year.





Get on with what?

Get on with life, sure, I presume we all are, but it doesn't mean those who wanted to stay in the E.U. should now just shut the hell up.

Quote: PCollinson1990 "Myth according to whom? Typical remoaner, peddling lies. As I have said, I wanted to remain, but we aren't so I'll get on with it!'" Is this a myth of it it you who is in denial : https://macromon.wordpress.com/2017/01/ ... economies/ 15/20 and below the EU average growth. Remoaner peddling lies more like leaver clutching at straws, with his fingers in his ears and whistling whilst pretending/hoping everything is going to be just fine. If it wasn't so sad it might be funny.

Quote: PCollinson1990 "Myth according to whom? Typical remoaner, peddling lies. As I have said, I wanted to remain, but we aren't so I'll get on with it!'" Is this a myth of it it you who is in denial : https://macromon.wordpress.com/2017/01/ ... economies/ 15/20 and below the EU average growth. Remoaner peddling lies more like leaver clutching at straws, with his fingers in his ears and whistling whilst pretending/hoping everything is going to be just fine. If it wasn't so sad it might be funny.

I was replying to your post inferring that I was peddling lies
Btw, we haven't left yet although, I do accept that we are on our way out.

After yesterday's shambolic performance at the party conference, this had to be worth a "bump".
She's got her P45 but, she hasn't gone yet.

Certainly a "dead" woman walking, it's just a case of when Boris fancies another shot ??

Rumours of Tory Remainers plotting her downfall. Let's be honest, her tenure as leader/PM has been a farce.

Personally, I still think there should be another referendum, based on the facts on what a post-EU Britain would look like once negotiations are concluded. At the moment, just like last year, we have no idea.

I'm remain, but I'm not a staunch remainer by any means, and if after negotiations they can say we've got a deal for x, y & z, and I believe that me, my family & Britain would be better off under the new deal, I'd vote for it. But, you don't buy a house without going to view it first, doing a survey, searches etc do you?

There was so much bullshine & misconceptions flying around from both sides that for me it rendered the whole referendum a joke.

We've had some poor Prime Ministers in the past but, I really cant remember the country having such a lame duck.
Everyone realises that she has to go and even the ministers coming out in support of her, aren't exactly glowing in their praise.
If the highest recommendation of any leader is that they managed to complete a speech, despite having a cold, it's a real worry.
Of course, the elephant in the room is the spit party, standing behind her, which is certainly holding back any would be contenders, not to mention the sand slipping through the Brexit hourglass so quickly.

Although I dont like the bloke, they should put Farage in charge of Brexit or, someone who can put party politics to one side.
Get the thing done and lets move forward, because, right now, the country is going to slide towards yet another recession and probably take the EU27 with it.

Wow - there's pragmatism, and there's downright desperation; that's quite possibly the worst idea I've seen around Brexit, short of actually doing it.

Why, exactly? Give me your list of (I'm sure) well-considered reasons 'she has to go'.

Wactching Channel 4 News isn't a reason.
You want me to give you reasons why she "has to go".

1/ The primary reason that would be that she is a diabolical leader of both her own party and the country.
2/ Calling an election (breaking the 5 year rule that her own party put in place), to secure an increased majority and allow "strong and stable" government and yet leaving the country with a hung parliament.
3/ Allowing her own ministers (Boris) to publicly mock her and go against party line.

Do you really need me to go on ffs.

Everyone knows that she will not lead the Tories into the next election and her "colleagues" in the Tory party are circling like groups of wild animals, ready to divide up her political corpse.
They are just working out who and when they will go for the kill.

She looked like a jibbering wind bag in the election campaign and clearly, she is just not up to leading her party or, the country.

When she does go, there will still be a huge problem for her successor, in that, the Tories are bitterly divided on Europe (as are Labour) and making decisions that ruffle the feathers of either side will make them equally unpopular both within their own party and amongst the electorate.

I find it quite amusing that you believe that things are progressing pretty much "as expected".
The Tories expected to pretty much wipe Labour off the political landscape and had that happened, then perhaps she could have driven through some of her ideas and policies.

As things have turned out, we have an impotent government, clinging onto power by doing a "deal" with the DUP (who have yet to take full advantage of their influence) and in light of recent events with the US levy on Bombardier (the same US that we were pinning our hopes of an early trade deal), this situation has become somewhat more polarised.

Perhaps you could enlighten us on just how you think life after Brexit will pan out, paying particular attention to a hard/soft border with N. Ireland and tariffs in either direction with the EU27.

As for the leftist press, get real, there is and has been for some time massive media bias in favour of the right wing of British politics and does anyone watch channel 4 they have about as much influence on British politics as Mrs May, about zero.

I agree with you on mass migration, an "experiment" which was always going to cause far more problems than it solved.

However, was it yourself or one of your other "friends" on here, who predicted the fall of the leaders of the "Euro friendly" nations.

France, Germany, Holland etc, have all re-elected Pro-Euro leaders and your own prophecies seem to be further than ever from reality.

Regarding the self serving rulers in Brussels, again, I agree with you but, remember, we have our very own version of this both in Westminster and the House of Lords - All aboard the gravy train.

1/ In your view, which is formed by what you see/read in the media. Unless you're a cabinet member of course.
2/ Any party would have strongly considered doing the same in the same position, and most would have gone ahead. Remember, they were flying in the polls. What went wrong was that some idiot decided an election campaign was the best time to announce 'difficult' policies. Nevertheless...they still won, whatever Corbyn thinks.
3/ Nothing in it except certain sections of the media hanging on his every syllable, desperate for some scandal.


They do? Despite pretty much everyone (even most journalists) saying there is no appetite within the Tory Party for a change of leadership (the occasional opportunist MP aside)?


In terms of the EU, yes they are. Talks are difficult but ongoing, the EU are showing their bitter colours and pretty much every journalist on our screens laps up everything Barnier spews while blindly condemning Davis. I've always said extricating ourselves from the EU would not be easy.


I've given my view several times on here.