I challenge you to prove the last statement. Union membership is falling - strange that - when the financial benefits in your strange mind are so obvious!!

Those increased "closed shop" unions called the BMA, fighting for their members regarding 7 day working, much to the annoyance of people who would like this. the " closed shop"
Law Society fighting the government regarding legal aid etc. The NFU having a go about decreased SUBSIDIES for their members. Need I go on? Don't forget these Union leaders are very well paid, just like the 1st divi on of the civil service.
Yeh unions holding the country to ransom! hypocrisy.
Like AJW, you are also a sad indictment of the education system which has let you down.
Help is available, you choice, but if you want to stay in a state of struggling to think, then your choice. You are missing out on so much.

You "challenge" me?

I have found it to be the case. If you don't have a unionised workforce the employer dictates what the payrise will be so if they say it's 0% that's what you get (as has happened to many over the past three decades).

"You choice"? Did you and AJW get the same education? Or were you trying to belittle him/her because you've nothing left other than petty insults. Just write "WAAAHHHHH....Tories" in future it'll save time.

Re-nationalisation

According to The Wage Impact of Trade Unions in the UK Public and Private Sectors by David Blanchflower, there's an estimated 10% mark up on wages in the UK for those in unions compared to matched individuals not in unions, with wage dispersion also 25% lower in firms with unions. Union membership is falling due to reasons such as de-industrialisation, more flexibile labour markets than previously and legislation which has weakened unions; I recommend you read Blanchflower's International Patterns of Union Membership if you want further explanation.

Does the employer dictate? Surely the market dictates. If the employer wants to hang on to his best staff he will incentivise them or they may move on. The days of the village working in the village pit has long gone.

Yep.



Never seen a cheque signed by "The Market".

I work in the technology sector and I can assure you that management concern themselves with the better staff leaving to competitors and as such pay well and provide amazing working environments. I would argue that's market driven.

Quote: Exiled down south "I work in the technology sector and I can assure you that management concern themselves with the better staff leaving to competitors and as such pay well and provide amazing working environments. I would argue that's market driven.'" It may be for a small minority but for the majority of people it's not. Businesses do not give money away so easily. Certainly any national company or multinational will have very tightly controlled budgets for things like labour cost increases. Those that don't usually fall into financial difficulty. Quote: Exiled down south "The railways are already nationalised, the tracks and infrastructure are owned by the government, all the rail companies do is run the service, I'm pretty sure they don't even own the rolling stock.'" They are also subsidised to the tune of billions e.g. www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014 ... ds-subsidy Where's the sense in that?

Quote: Exiled down south "I work in the technology sector and I can assure you that management concern themselves with the better staff leaving to competitors and as such pay well and provide amazing working environments. I would argue that's market driven.'" It may be for a small minority but for the majority of people it's not. Businesses do not give money away so easily. Certainly any national company or multinational will have very tightly controlled budgets for things like labour cost increases. Those that don't usually fall into financial difficulty. Quote: Exiled down south "The railways are already nationalised, the tracks and infrastructure are owned by the government, all the rail companies do is run the service, I'm pretty sure they don't even own the rolling stock.'" They are also subsidised to the tune of billions e.g. www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014 ... ds-subsidy Where's the sense in that?

And this is representative of the (greater) whole?

Yep. Most jobs in this country could actually be done to the same or similar standard by someone else. So an individual business' costs, profits and circumstances are generally the factor behind wages for most people. It's generally only in very (relatively) small markets or skilled labour where the market drives the wages.

Again, you're talking about a market that isn't representative.

There is a shortage of carers (mainly because the pay, hours and conditions are so bloody awful), so of course there is market competition for those people willing to do the job.

Most jobs aren't like that. Most jobs can be done by someone else and have plenty of people willing to do that job.