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Quote: wotsupcas "Yes really. IMO it was the Maastricht treaty that was the catalyst for the leave movement.'"


It does have to be said how well its going.

The UK has gone from top to bottom of the table for G7 nations and immigration is up, despite "taking back control" of our borders.
If it wasnt so serious, it would be hilarious but, in the words of Mr Farage "you're not laughing now".
Meanwhile, some of those on the right of politics and their hedge fund friends have made a bloody fortune out of the country sinking.
Quite ironic, given that many of them pretend to be so patriotic.

Liz Truss talked about "the anti-growth coalition" but, Brexit is one of the main reasons for the huge drop off in exports.
Now, where are those new markets ??

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Oops. If it was JUST the common market we'd still be in it.'"
Doubtful. If that was the case we would have made attempts to join EFTA or tried to negotiate a deal similar that Switzerland have. Which isn't as good as being in the common market as we would still have to produce customs paperwork but does deliver some of the benefits.
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The problem is that Quitters don't want to live in the world as it is instead of the world as they wish it was (I'd say the world they wish they could recreate but it's all a sad, nostalgia-fumed illusion). They think it's as simple as having a free trade zone but with none of the regulatory alignment which makes such a thing work. It's so sadly delusional.

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Quote: The Ghost of '99 "The problem is that Quitters don't want to live in the world as it is instead of the world as they wish it was (I'd say the world they wish they could recreate but it's all a sad, nostalgia-fumed illusion). They think it's as simple as having a free trade zone but with none of the regulatory alignment which makes such a thing work. It's so sadly delusional.'"



It’s pretty pathetic especially when you consider that on a lot of things (especially things like animal welfare in farming and safety standards) our own standards are higher than the EU minimum. We were the ones driving EU regulation and pushing for improvements.

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Quote: Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza "It’s pretty pathetic especially when you consider that on a lot of things (especially things like animal welfare in farming and safety standards) our own standards are higher than the EU minimum. We were the ones driving EU regulation and pushing for improvements.'"
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Interesting concept.

However, there seems little doubt that the UK wished to decide it's own regulations on a whole host of issues and while we may be in line with the EU on some things, we are keen to review many others and when you listen to people like Jacob Rees Mogg (who suggests that there should be no "entitlement" to paid holidays or maternity pay), there seems to be no doubt whatsoever that we will be reducing employment rights.
A blindman can spot the direction of travel here and the destination isn't quite the "sunlit uplands" that were mentioned by David Davis.

When you have the Governor of the Bank of England telling us of the "hit" to the economy, it is now clear that "we" voted to make ourselves and the country poorer and having idiots like Truss calling other parties "the anti growth coalition", when her party (with some support from others) delivered the single biggest hit to our prosperity , it makes you despair.

Happy New Year everyone.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "Interesting concept.

However, there seems little doubt that the UK wished to decide it's own regulations on a whole host of issues and while we may be in line with the EU on some things, we are keen to review many others and when you listen to people like Jacob Rees Mogg (who suggests that there should be no "entitlement" to paid holidays or maternity pay), there seems to be no doubt whatsoever that we will be reducing employment rights.
A blindman can spot the direction of travel here and the destination isn't quite the "sunlit uplands" that were mentioned by David Davis.

When you have the Governor of the Bank of England telling us of the "hit" to the economy, it is now clear that "we" voted to make ourselves and the country poorer and having idiots like Truss calling other parties "the anti growth coalition", when her party (with some support from others) delivered the single biggest hit to our prosperity , it makes you despair.

Happy New Year everyone.'"


The UK (as a whole) didn’t though did we? Don’t forget the likes of Rees Mogg and the rest of the ERG were on the fringes and quite rightly viewed as the cranks they are before the referendum.

They were very clever in the way they framed the argument as being about taking back control of our own laws - as if it were the EU holding us back. When all along it was about them deregulating everything so that they (and their donors) could line their pockets. You only have to look at the fact you can’t go swimming at the seaside anymore without risking making yourself ill for proof of that.

In fact, any mention that that was the intention was quickly dismissed as “project fear”. Yet here we are and people have been that taken in that they’re asking for their living standards to be reduced.

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The Conservatives government since coming to power years ago have been totally useless and incompetent. The frightening part is the constant mistakes have been catastrophic. So it’s highly unlikely they will make Brexit successful as they are spectacular useless at everything else.
A source of irritation to me is this stupid growth for zero carbon emissions. Be nice before moving forward with that they could stop discharging sewage into our river systems. It beggars believe that in the year 2023 water companies are still allowed to undertake this shameful practice.

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Criminal Sunak brexits his bowels on criminal Bozo icon_lol.gif

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I wonder if Sunak appreciates that his recent comments stating what a unique and advantageous position Northern Ireland is in by by both being in the single market and free access to the British markets. Is this not what all businesses had in the U.K. prior to Brexit.

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No apologies for repeating my earlier comments on this thread. This government is incompetent on a grand scale. I honestly can’t think of any thing they have done anything in a positive way that has improved society. So it’s highly unlikely that they would make any success of Brexit. It seems a collective madness has overtaken the Conservatives. It’s split into factions, the most bizarre one is the movement to bring Johnson back. Unbelievable how many times can one person be exposed for habitual lying. Suppose the best one was no border in the Irish sea. Mighty strange that sunak has potentially abolished the non existent border. Still looking on the bright side Johnson has made 5 million smackers since stepping down and bought himself a 4 million quid House .

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Brexit bonus.

A change in the law allows the growing and cultivation of GM crops.

Only applies to England as both Wales and Scotland are keeping the ban. EU law is applicable in Northern Ireland.
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Quote: Ovavoo "Brexit bonus.

A change in the law allows the growing and cultivation of GM crops.

Only applies to England as both Wales and Scotland are keeping the ban. EU law is applicable in Northern Ireland.

You will be able to add to that meat from Australia that cannot be sold in the EU but it is ok for us because it cheaper for the lower classes to eat.

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I realise that this thread has been dormant for quite a while but, after Mr Farage declared Brexit to be a failure, I though that it deserved a mention.
It would be churlish to say, "told you so" but, was it really worth it.
The only G7 nation not to have GDP back to pre pandemic levels and a s***show for a government.

Isn't Brexit brilliant (not)

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Car manufacturers wanting the Brexit deal renegotiated and Kemi the clown saying it's nowt to do with Brexit.
This government should all be working for Billy Smart.

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Listening to Campbell's podcast with Osborne it was the inability of the remain campaign's to combat the control of the borders if we remained in the EU. Johnson/Cummins/Gove always had that.

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Quote: Zoo Zoo Boom "Listening to Campbell's podcast with Osborne it was the inability of the remain campaign's to combat the control of the borders if we remained in the EU. Johnson/Cummins/Gove always had that.'"


The Brexit campaign was more effective than the Remain campaign, no doubt about that.

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15:00
Newcastle
v
Keighley
15:00
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v
Dewsbury
 Fri 13th Jun 2025
       League One 2025-R12
19:00
Dewsbury
v
Goole V
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
20:00
Hull FC
v
Castleford
20:00
Hull KR
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Catalans
 Sat 14th Jun 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
15:00
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v
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17:30
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 Sun 15th Jun 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
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       League One 2025-R12
14:30
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Midlands
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
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       League One 2025-R12
15:00
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Rochdale
15:00
Swinton
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Workington
15:00
Whitehaven
v
Cornwall
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Matches on TV
Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds-Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield-Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Fri 28th Feb
SL
20:00
Huddersfield-Hull FC
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Salford
SL
20:00
Leigh-Catalans
Sat 1st Mar
SL
14:30
Wakefield-St.Helens
SL
21:30
Wigan-Warrington
Sun 2nd Mar
SL
15:00
Leeds-Castleford
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
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