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The right wing's disinformation/fury complex keeps on rolling.

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Quote: The Ghost of '99 "The right wing's disinformation/fury complex keeps on rolling.'"

Since when has the Times been right wing? Or are you disputing the figures? Or more to the point have you actually read the article?
I'm not furious BTW, just interested why if they are not considered genuine refugees in the EU they would be here?

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Since when has the Times been right wing? '"

Are you serious?

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Quote: The Ghost of '99 "
Quote: The Ghost of '99 "
Since when has the Times been right wing? [/quoitste]
Are you serious?'"
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Forget the deflection tactics. Are you disputing the figures? If not , what do you read into them. Are you disputing the fact that the French put them in tents while we put them up in hotels?

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Your desperation to treat other human beings in the worst way possible is quite terrifying.

But again, tell us what you think the "figures" mean.

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Quote: The Ghost of '99 "Your desperation to treat other human beings in the worst way possible is quite terrifying.

But again, tell us what you think the "figures" mean.'"

Where have I said I want them treating in the worst possible way. I haven't. You're making stuff up again.
I've already told you what I think the figures mean.

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Quote: wotsupcas "Your desperation to treat other human beings in the worst way possible is quite terrifying.

But again, tell us what you think the "figures" mean.'"

Where have I said I want them treating in the worst possible way. I haven't. You're making stuff up again.
I've already told you what I think the figures mean.'"

I mean you literally indicated that putting people who had nowhere else to stay in cheap hotels was too good for them so sorry if that wasn't what you really meant.

And apologies again I can't see where you've told us what you think these 'figures' mean, could you point out the relevant post?

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Quote: The Ghost of '99 "
Quote: The Ghost of '99 "
Quote: The Ghost of '99 "Your desperation to treat other human beings in the worst way possible is quite terrifying.

But again, tell us what you think the "figures" mean.'"

Where have I said I want them treating in the worst possible way. I haven't. You're making stuff up again.
I've already told you what I think the figures mean.'"

I mean you literally indicated that putting people who had nowhere else to stay in cheap hotels was too good for them so sorry if that wasn't what you really meant.

And apologies again I can't see where you've told us what you think these 'figures' mean, could you point out the relevant post?'"

I said the French were putting asylum seekers in tents. I didn't say that's what WE should do.
Last post P18 for my opinion on what the figures mean

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How many of those we accepted are from Hong Kong for example and how many are from countries like Syria for example. With regards percentages, the starting number is all important say for example we have 10 applicants and accept 7, France have 200 applicants which based on percentages quoted means they accept 50 if my memory is correct at 25%.

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Quote: Scarlet Pimpernell "How many of those we accepted are from Hong Kong for example and how many are from countries like Syria for example. With regards percentages, the starting number is all important say for example we have 10 applicants and accept 7, France have 200 applicants which based on percentages quoted means they accept 50 if my memory is correct at 25%.'"
Yes the main point which the furymongers ignore is that France takes many, many more asylum seekers than the UK. The UK would rank 17th amongst EU countries - if we were still members - for the number of asylum applications we get.

But facts don't pay the political bills for right wingers. Their only path to power is sowing fear and hatred. So they pretend that the real issues the UK faces aren't the corruption of this country's economy by a tiny number of vastly rich billionaires or the hiving off our our nation's assets for a pittance. It's not the vast inequality, the crumbling infrastructure or the poverty. All these obvious things that are wrong with the UK bring us back to them because this is the nation they and their deliberately destructive policies have built.

So instead they drum up spurious BS about a small number penniless, desperate foreigners instead. And sadly it works over and over again with their base - who get red in the face and start regurgitating these silly stories like this one in the Express without taking a moment to stand back and realise how easily they are being played.

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Hardly penniless Ghost, they are paying up to £15k a pop to criminal gangs for a lift in a dinghy.
Also the same story has been run by more respected papers than the Express.

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The fear mongerers have got you hook line and sinker I'm afraid wotsy.

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Quote: wotsupcas "
Quote: wotsupcas "It shows that the EU in general and France in particular are "passing on" failed asylum seekers. It shows that we are more (too) generous with our asylum criteria. And can you imagine the uproar from the hand wringers here if we put them in tents like the French?'"
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Did the French allow diphtheria to spread.
I am sure this will appear in some newspaper but the source providing the details is the same and without true numbers just as worthless. I guess it suits the line these papers what to portray and the Government are happy to do so.
I think they would be better explaining to the Home Secretary how you can legally apply to enter the U.K. because her response was to come over to the U.K. and apply unfortunately this would not work and shows her complete level of understanding.
I wonder if anyone bought her a dream catcher for Christmas so she can make sure to not forget any deportation dreams to Rwanda.

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Quote: The Ghost of '99 "
Quote: The Ghost of '99 "Yes the main point which the furymongers ignore is that France takes many, many more asylum seekers than the UK. The UK would rank 17th amongst EU countries - if we were still members - for the number of asylum applications we get.

But facts don't pay the political bills for right wingers. Their only path to power is sowing fear and hatred. So they pretend that the real issues the UK faces aren't the corruption of this country's economy by a tiny number of vastly rich billionaires or the hiving off our our nation's assets for a pittance. It's not the vast inequality, the crumbling infrastructure or the poverty. All these obvious things that are wrong with the UK bring us back to them because this is the nation they and their deliberately destructive policies have built.

So instead they drum up spurious BS about a small number penniless, desperate foreigners instead. And sadly it works over and over again with their base - who get red in the face and start regurgitating these silly stories like this one in the Express without taking a moment to stand back and realise how easily they are being played.'"
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Whilst I agree with much of the above on the refugees - there does seem to be a large number of Albanians - this I find odd as I am unaware of issues in that country? Also if you are unhappy at the regime in your country how will running help you change it? Finally many of these people have travelled through a host a safe countries before getting on a dingy - why the UK surely all these 45k+ don't have relatives/contact here?

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Quote: Zoo Zoo Boom "Whilst I agree with much of the above on the refugees - there does seem to be a large number of Albanians - this I find odd as I am unaware of issues in that country? Also if you are unhappy at the regime in your country how will running help you change it? '"
I've been to Albania around a dozen times since 2003 and the progress is clear but let's not kid ourselves that Albania has anywhere near EU-standards of legal protection, enforcement or civil rights. The country has a veneer of civilisation which works well in the touristy areas but underneath there is a lot of crime with gangs and the Albanian mafia remaining strong. Deadly blood feuds between gangs and families are still a major, major problem with sectarian murder and reprisal killings still shockingly common. The presence of likely death due to this is one of the major reasons people fleet Albania. The British press with their pathetic, obviously racist smears of "Albanian men" deliberately mislead their readers about why people leave that country.

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