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| Quote: tigertot "I think Backwardsman is talking about deporting people for thoughts.'"
I think it's a little more than thoughts. But never mind let's carry on as we are. We will light more candles, have more one minutes silence and lots of they will never beat us bleatings.
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| Quote: Backwoodsman "I think it's a little more than thoughts. But never mind let's carry on as we are. We will light more candles, have more one minutes silence and lots of they will never beat us bleatings.'"
Or maybe we could rebuild the decimated police force, stop bombing people into oblivion, cease our support for the terrorist sponsoring Saudi regime, and avoid the knee jerk reaction of removing our civil liberties and going all North Korea on the internet?
To coin a phrase, there is often a third way.
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "By increasing their benefits - welfare spending in the last 10 years of the Labour government increased by 45% in real terms - housing benefit alone increased by 9bn during this time. These are facts.'"
Of course it did. As the chickens of thatchers right to buy scheme came home to roost. Private landlords started increasing rents as social housing became increasingly scarce. More should have been done to cap that admittedly. But that money didnt benefit claimants, merely the landlords.
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| Quote: "cease our support for the terrorist sponsoring Saudi regime,'"
Is it not Qatar this week?? Or did I hear Trump wrongly??
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| They're both at it but the Saudis buy a lot more US arms.
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| Quote: Backwardsman "I think it's a little more than thoughts. But never mind let's carry on as we are. We will light more candles, have more one minutes silence and lots of they will never beat us bleatings.'"
What is it then if it is more than thoughts?
Do you think terrorists wake up & think "I know, I'll kill a few people for no particular reason"?
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| Quote: bren2k "Or maybe we could rebuild the decimated police force, stop bombing people into oblivion, cease our support for the terrorist sponsoring Saudi regime, and avoid the knee jerk reaction of removing our civil liberties and going all North Korea on the internet?
To coin a phrase, there is often a third way.'"
Civil liberties works both ways , it would be rather helpful if certain people refrained from stabbing and blowing us up.
The human rights act has been abused by people to prevent deportation , usually claiming the country of origin uses torture.
This therectically prevents deportation, as does anybody claiming to be gay, as most Muslim countries aren't quite onboard with gay rights. Incidentally the left wing freedom rights legal lawyers have made a fortune from legal aid. Abu quatadas case took approximately 9 years. I note the left wing brigades latest trend is picking fault with Saudi. If us stopping arms sales to Saudi would make a difference, excellent.
Unfortunately France and Germany would quite happily step in and sell them French and German arms. Incidentally if we are proposing to adopt the moral high ground, should we be exporting to china and Russia. Both countries not noted for high standards of human rights. Coincidently gay right does not seem to be in vogue in both of these countries .
You mention a third way ,hopefully that means waving good bye to anybody who does not care for our laws and systems of government.
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| Quote: Backwoodsman "
You mention a third way ,hopefully that means waving good bye to anybody who does not care for our laws and systems of government.'"
When the Greens take power after today & you do not care for their laws & systems of government will be able to wave goodbye to you? Or does it just apply to darkies?
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| Quote: tigertot "When the Greens take power after today & you do not care for their laws & systems of government will be able to wave goodbye to you? Or does it just apply to darkies?'"
Good grief you are really off the pace on this one. In the highly unlikely event of the greens winning power, they will be subject to reelection after a term in office.If they don't perform in government then they will be voted out.
Our system of government whilst not perfect has served this country well for a great length of time. Also our system of law based on Magna Carta which has been copied throughout the world.
Regretfully you have made yourself look extremely foolish with your darkies comment.
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| Quote: Backwoodsman "Good grief you are really off the pace on this one. In the highly unlikely event of the greens winning power, they will be subject to reelection after a term in office.If they don't perform in government then they will be voted out.
Our system of government whilst not perfect has served this country well for a great length of time. Also our system of law based on Magna Carta which has been copied throughout the world.
Regretfully you have made yourself look extremely foolish with your darkies comment.'"
You have not answered the question. There are laws I do not care for in this country. I do not support first past the post either. Therefore I fit your description. Explain who your policy, presumably designed to keep us safe, applies to.
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| Quote: Backwoodsman "Civil liberties works both ways , it would be rather helpful if certain people refrained from stabbing and blowing us up.
The human rights act has been abused by people to prevent deportation , usually claiming the country of origin uses torture.
This therectically prevents deportation, as does anybody claiming to be gay, as most Muslim countries aren't quite onboard with gay rights. Incidentally the left wing freedom rights legal lawyers have made a fortune from legal aid. Abu quatadas case took approximately 9 years. I note the left wing brigades latest trend is picking fault with Saudi. If us stopping arms sales to Saudi would make a difference, excellent.
Unfortunately France and Germany would quite happily step in and sell them French and German arms. Incidentally if we are proposing to adopt the moral high ground, should we be exporting to china and Russia. Both countries not noted for high standards of human rights. Coincidently gay right does not seem to be in vogue in both of these countries .
You mention a third way ,hopefully that means waving good bye to anybody who does not care for our laws and systems of government.'"
The law on deportation is now far stricter than in the era before the advent of the Human Rights Act.
Before 2006 the immigration rules conferred a general discretion to deport or not as long as certain relevant considerations were taken into account. The relevant paragraph of the rules, paragraph 364, read as follows:
… in considering whether deportation is the right course on the merits, the public interest will be balanced against any compassionate circumstances of the case. While each case will be considered in the light of the particular circumstances, the aim is an exercise of the power of deportation which is consistent and fair as between one person and another, although one case will rarely be identical with another in all material respects. … Before a decision to deport is reached the Secretary of State will take into account all relevant factors known to him including:
(i) age;
(ii) length of residence in the United Kingdom;
(iii) strength of connections with the United Kingdom;
(iv) personal history, including character, conduct and employment record;
(v) domestic circumstances;
(vi) previous criminal record and the nature of any offence of which the person has been convicted;
(vii) compassionate circumstances;
(viii) any representations received on the person’s behalf.
This was the system that had been in place since the 1970s and it continued uninterrupted when the Human Rights Act came into force in 2000. No foreign criminal resisting deportation really needed to rely on the Human Rights Act because the immigration rules offered better protection.
In 2006 this old fashioned and pragmatic British approach was replaced with a presumption in favour of deportation, followed in 2007 by supposedly “automatic” deportations under the UK Borders Act 2007.
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| I didn't read that in my Daily Mail.
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| Quote: bren2k "Or maybe we could rebuild the decimated police force, stop bombing people into oblivion, cease our support for the terrorist sponsoring Saudi regime, and avoid the knee jerk reaction of removing our civil liberties and going all North Korea on the internet?
To coin a phrase, there is often a third way.'"
It depends on what you want from your foreign policy - are we happy with a host of despots running volatile countries. Perhaps it is better that tyrants like Assad, Gaddafi, Hussein etc. are allowed to butcher their own people in what is a historic tribal disputes and we stand aside and look on?
The Saudi's however disagreeable their standards do appear to have a big influence in the middle east. Possibly better the devil you know - bit like Putin?
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| Quote: tigertot "You have not answered the question. There are laws I do not care for in this country. I do not support first past the post either. Therefore I fit your description. Explain who your policy, presumably designed to keep us safe, applies to.'"
As usual you are being melodramatic. A vote was taken about reforming the electoral system. People who bothered to turn up voted against it. I will attempt to answer your question once again, I can't help it if you don't like the answer.
Anyone arriving in this country illegally should be deported asap. Failing that they should be allowed one court hearing, judgement final no right of appeal.
If as you say you don't care for certain laws go see your MP With a veiw to changing the law. I believe it's called democracy, if you feel that doesn't work then you have the freedom to go to another country.
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "The Saudi's however disagreeable their standards do appear to have a big influence in the middle east.'"
Yes, those pesky, disagreeable Saudis...
I would suggest that, as ever, despite your attempts to create a false "is that what you want, cos that's what'll happen" dichotomy, there is a middle way between ignoring despotic tyrants, and selling arms to a regime that supplies international terrorism; you know that really - you're just being daft because you've been up all night watching Mrs May's grand plan fall apart.
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