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Quote: Big Graeme "Definitely looks like Labour chose the wrong brother.'"


Labour shouldn't have even been thinking about those two, they should have been putting all their efforts into persuading Alan Johnson his future lay as leader.'"


After catching that rozzer nobbing his missus, I doubt he'd be up for the job mate.

My guess on the next (as in sooner rather than later) Labour leader would be 'no-balls Balls' - Yvette Cooper

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Quote: Kosh "So Gordon " Don't panic brown" is a testament to this is he? icon_frustrated.gif

I despair of the Labour Party... icon_beat.gif

as for Cameron and his fellow 'upper class twit of the year' Osborne....... a026.gif

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It's a sad reflection on politics in the UK when the 'best' we can muster as party leaders are Milliband, Clegg, and Cameron. Not a statesman among them.'"


I don't think it's just the UK. Look at Berlusconi or Sarkozy. Even Obama has been much less effective on the international stage than his campaign promised. Though when you look at some of the Republican candidates for the US Presidency, he looks positively awe-inspiring by comparison.

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It's a sad reflection on politics in the UK when the 'best' we can muster as party leaders are Milliband, Clegg, and Cameron. Not a statesman among them.'"


I don't think it's just the UK. Look at Berlusconi or Sarkozy. Even Obama has been much less effective on the international stage than his campaign promised. Though when you look at some of the Republican candidates for the US Presidency, he looks positively awe-inspiring by comparison.'"


yeh,definitely a world wide thing - I can't recall a real french statesman since De Gaulle,Giscard,Barre and Pompidou
France seems full of sh@t stirrers like Cohn Bendit but not much else - Sarko is probably as outspoken as they come which is a sad endightment on french politics...

that's why the floating voter is seriously considering Marine le Pen as an alternative.....

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It's a sad reflection on politics in the UK when the 'best' we can muster as party leaders are Milliband, Clegg, and Cameron. Not a statesman among them.'"


I don't think it's just the UK. Look at Berlusconi or Sarkozy. Even Obama has been much less effective on the international stage than his campaign promised. Though when you look at some of the Republican candidates for the US Presidency, he looks positively awe-inspiring by comparison.'"


Who needs statesmen, when we're gradually handing over the keys of power to unelected bankers?

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It's a sad reflection on politics in the UK when the 'best' we can muster as party leaders are Milliband, Clegg, and Cameron. Not a statesman among them.'"


I don't think it's just the UK. Look at Berlusconi or Sarkozy. Even Obama has been much less effective on the international stage than his campaign promised. Though when you look at some of the Republican candidates for the US Presidency, he looks positively awe-inspiring by comparison.'"


Who needs statesmen, when we're gradually handing over the keys of power to unelected bankers?'"



cynical,but probably true......

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Quote: sanjunien "cynical,but probably true......'"


We can see it quite specifically in Greece and Italy, and I don't think many other decisions being made by governments across Europe today are being made without recourse to what finance wants.

As I've mentioned, while I do think Cameron's decision to keep the UK out of the proposed deal was the right one, I very much doubt that it was made for what I'd consider the right decisions, but instead, to keep happy his friends in the City.

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Quote: Mintball "As I've mentioned, while I do think Cameron's decision to keep the UK out of the proposed deal was the right one, I very much doubt that it was made for what I'd consider the right decisions, but instead, to keep happy his friends in the City.'"


Election campaigns, battle buses and private jets don't fund themselves - I believe the phrase is "you've got to dance with them that brought you".

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