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Quote: SaintsFan "When she took over we were labelled the 'sick man of Europe' and we had experienced the 'winter of discontent' when rubbish piled up on the streets and the dead were left unburied. She saved us from subsequent years of that kind of unelected union domination which was crucifying our country.'"


You can't say that on here - Mr Fish & Mrs Mint will be on you in no time

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Quote: Sal Paradise "You can't say that on here - Mr Fish & Mrs Mint will be on you in no time'"


Ah, you CAN say that on here though, can't you? Even though it's complete and utter bollox.

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Quote: SaintsFan "When she took over we were labelled the 'sick man of Europe' and we had experienced the 'winter of discontent' when rubbish piled up on the streets and the dead were left unburied. She saved us from subsequent years of that kind of unelected union domination which was crucifying our country.'"

Unfortunately, regardless of how necessary the railing back of Union power might have been she went on to do far more harm than good, as has been listed elsewhere. Her policies were the root cause of our housing crisis & benefits crisis just for starters.

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Quote: Homer "it was and is for the specific wholesale pillage of this countries flawed but operational mental health system. Some of the most prime building land in Surrey was ripped from places such as Virginia Water, Epsom, Botleys, and Brookwood, where care and understanding of a massively wide variety of illness was beginning to be treatable with compassion and care, the days of total medicinal blackouts were behind us, and these thousands of people had a place to be safe and to be cared for, until she decided they would be better off on the streets and all of that land made available at pure pennies in the pound for the vultures who supported her to speculate on and build their fortunes with, scum each and every one of them.'"

If you think those suffering with mental health problems were better looked after in the old asylum system then I would ask whether you have ever worked in one? I did. In Carlisle. While care in the community was a disaster in some ways, the asylum system was already a disaster in many more ways. My boss, the unit manager at Garlands Hospital, had to regularly rotate his nursing and auxiliary staff in order to avoid abuse because getting people who actually CARED about those they were paid to look after was very, very difficult. There were indeed some very devoted nurses in that unit who worked very hard to make life comfortable for those who were often extremely challenging as a result of their illnesses, but they were not the majority of staff. And the conditions in which clients lived were far from comfortable even though, in the case of Carlisle, they were surrounded by lovely countryside and still pretty much outside the city walls (which is where many asylums were built - out of sight; out of mind). There was much wrong with the asylum system. Some wasn't fixed by care in the community and indeed new problems were added, but retaining the asylum system for all mental health sufferers was most definitely not the way to go.

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Quote: El Barbudo "Sorry but that's a simplistic view.

It only takes a shift of 30% of trade from the independent to the supermarket to finish off the independent shop because that's his margin wiped out.
So, whilst potentially 70% of shoppers in a locale (let's just say a majority) might prefer the small independents, even if they stay loyal the independents still go bust.

No supermarket has an absolute monopoly but the power intrinsic in their sheer size means they have the same advantage over an independent as if they did have a monopoly.
Virtually the only ones who can compete in those circumstances are other supermarket chains ... and starting a supermarket chain from small beginnings these days is well-nigh impossible.

M&S started in 1884, Morrison's in 1889 ... they'd have no chance of the same growth if they were starting out now.'"


You miss the obvious point about retail - giving customers reasons to want to shop with you - don't blame the supermarkets because smaller retailers are incapable of presenting a proposition that customers deem worthy of taking up. There are still hundreds of independent food retailers what is it that they have that those who have gone out of business don't?

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Quote: Kosh "Her policies were the root cause of our housing crisis & benefits crisis just for starters.'"

I disagree. She actually introduced benefits during her period in power and the right to buy was genius: it enabled people who had lived in their council houses for yonks to actually own what they had almost paid for anyway in rent at a further discount price. The take up was substantial. People take pride in what they own.

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Quote: SaintsFan "I disagree. She actually introduced benefits during her period in power and the right to buy was genius

All of which would have been quite laudable if she'd allowed the proceeds to be reinvested in new, affordable social housing. But she didn't, for purely ideological reasons. And now there's a massive shortage of affordable housing.

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Quote: SaintsFan "I disagree. She actually introduced benefits during her period in power and the right to buy was genius

The irony of it was a fair few miners bought their council houses...with their redundancy payoff.

Personally couldn't stand the women...Ripped my community part. Had the Falklands war hadn't happened she probably wouldn't have got a second term.

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Quote: Rock God X "All of which would have been quite laudable if she'd allowed the proceeds to be reinvested in new, affordable social housing. But she didn't, for purely ideological reasons. And now there's a massive shortage of affordable housing.'"


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what a disgusting thread, extremely bad taste.

condolensces to her family

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Quote: SaintsFan "I disagree. She actually introduced benefits during her period in power and the right to buy was genius


And by legislating so that Local Authorities could not use the money from council house sales to build more council houses contributed massively to lack of affordable and social housing we see now.

The net result is that Osborne is taxing spare bedrooms to penalise people who live in council housing because there is not enough council housing to go around.

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Quote: SaintsFan "When she took over we were labelled the 'sick man of Europe' and we had experienced the 'winter of discontent' when rubbish piled up on the streets and the dead were left unburied. She saved us from subsequent years of that kind of unelected union domination which was crucifying our country.'"


Do you honestly believe that only happened in 1979?

It happens every winter, my mate died in hospital on 9th March, he was buried on 2nd April. He died in hospital of major organ failure, the PM was completed within two days. The delay in burial was simply down to the fact that more people die in winter than the system can cope with.

As for rubbish piling up in the streets, take a look at Birmingham after the last snows, it took nearly three weeks to clear the black bags

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Disgusting thread? She was a disgusting woman, grim reaping what she sowed.

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Quote: Sal Paradise "You miss the obvious point about retail - giving customers reasons to want to shop with you - don't blame the supermarkets because smaller retailers are incapable of presenting a proposition that customers deem worthy of taking up. There are still hundreds of independent food retailers what is it that they have that those who have gone out of business don't?'"

Can we blame them for price fixing? news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7132108.stm

For selling horse meat labelled as something else?

for completely losing track of where their food comes from?

For selling illegal cloned meat? www.telegraph.co.uk/foodanddrink ... chain.html

For misleading pricing? www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20543107

For holding undeveloped land banks? www.independent.co.uk/news/busin ... 69513.html

back labelling and selling out of date foods? news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6676345.stm
Quote: Sal Paradise "You miss the obvious point about retail - giving customers reasons to want to shop with you - don't blame the supermarkets because smaller retailers are incapable of presenting a proposition that customers deem worthy of taking up. There are still hundreds of independent food retailers what is it that they have that those who have gone out of business don't?'"

Can we blame them for price fixing? news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7132108.stm

For selling horse meat labelled as something else?

for completely losing track of where their food comes from?

For selling illegal cloned meat? www.telegraph.co.uk/foodanddrink ... chain.html

For misleading pricing? www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20543107

For holding undeveloped land banks? www.independent.co.uk/news/busin ... 69513.html

back labelling and selling out of date foods? news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6676345.stm


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