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Quote: GUBRATS "This subject under discussion on ' Sunday morning live ' on the Beeb ATM , again the simple question asked " How do you stop somebody willing to die from killing potentially hundreds of people without actually shooting them ? "'"


And therein lies the problem.
Any attacker who is "happy" to die for their cause (whatever that may be), is very difficult to defend against.

The Nice incident was impossible to defend.

There has to be more done to cultivate an environment where there is more tolerance in the world, on all sides but, currently The Middle East is extremely volatile and with Mr Trump trying to gain power in the USA, the world will become less stable.

It's only a matter of time before something on a similar scale happens in the UK.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "And therein lies the problem.
Any attacker who is "happy" to die for their cause (whatever that may be), is very difficult to defend against.

The Nice incident was impossible to defend.

...'"


It's even worse than that. There only ever was a Nice incident because the lunatic managed to perpetrate the act. But had he been barred from driving into the area, then nobody would ever know or even suspect that such an insignificant "stop" had prevented a massacre.

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Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "It's even worse than that. There only ever was a Nice incident because the lunatic managed to perpetrate the act. But had he been barred from driving into the area, then nobody would ever know or even suspect that such an insignificant "stop" had prevented a massacre.'"


It would have been nigh on impossible to blockade every French Town/City centre for the Bastille Day celebrations and if, a "lock down" is required before any "mass" gathering of people, there are all sorts of issues with staging these type of events. Even the different types of "protest" march that we regularly see in England, would become difficult to stage.
Of course, any type of gathering can become a target, if somebody or organisation wishes to target civilians (The Boston Marathon being a prime example).

Ultimately and ironically, this ends up being part of the cost of freedom.

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100% false flag

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We don't bother addressing mass killings on the roads anyway so why would the government bother arming for potentially saving just a handful of deaths by comparison. Such a waste of money, I mean it's only a few here and there, no big deal really is it. Acceptable casualties of life and all that!

1700 deaths on the roads at the hands of the real threat to our society that are motorists and the 22,500 serious injuries caused by same every single year is a national disgrace. if 6 people were killed every single day by terrorism there would be an outcry and public condemnation of the government for not doing anything solid to stop it. And yet we celebrate that this number is acceptable and the lowest it's been.

Armed police, ing ridiculous, fight the cause at its roots not the outcome ffs!

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Don't be stupid. Motorists aren't a threat to society. For every crash caused by a pillock driving stupidly there's one that is purely an accident.

I agree it's an issue and that the media and government blow every terrorist incident way out of proportion but don't try and label motorists as some kind of threat. The vast majority of motorists drive perfectly safely.

If we want lower road deaths we need much harsher punishments for the minority that drive like pillocks and a massive road building and improvement scheme across the entire country to reduce congestion and make roads safer for everyone. Not labelling and attacking motorists as a whole. That's exactly what the media and the government do with Muslims, despite the vast majority having nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism.

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Quote: Him "Don't be stupid. Motorists aren't a threat to society. For every crash caused by a pillock driving stupidly there's one that is purely an accident.

I agree it's an issue and that the media and government blow every terrorist incident way out of proportion but don't try and label motorists as some kind of threat. The vast majority of motorists drive perfectly safely.

If we want lower road deaths we need much harsher punishments for the minority that drive like pillocks and a massive road building and improvement scheme across the entire country to reduce congestion and make roads safer for everyone. Not labelling and attacking motorists as a whole. That's exactly what the media and the government do with Muslims, despite the vast majority having nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism.'"


The media deliberately slant their news print to sell newspapers.
Although they may report real life events, they pick and choose what they report, purely for impact.

Occasionally they will purge certain topics to create concern, hysteria, sometimes even euphoria but, nobody should think that the press is balanced.
We are drip fed the media moguls personal agenda.

If they reported every death on the roads there would be public outcry but, as you rightly say, very few motorists set out injure someone else.
Of course, some drivers do increase the risk, drink, drugs, speed, needless aggressive driving etc.

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Quote: Him "Don't be stupid. Motorists aren't a threat to society. For every crash caused by a pillock driving stupidly there's one that is purely an accident.

I agree it's an issue and that the media and government blow every terrorist incident way out of proportion but don't try and label motorists as some kind of threat. The vast majority of motorists drive perfectly safely.

If we want lower road deaths we need much harsher punishments for the minority that drive like pillocks and a massive road building and improvement scheme across the entire country to reduce congestion and make roads safer for everyone. Not labelling and attacking motorists as a whole. That's exactly what the media and the government do with Muslims, despite the vast majority having nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism.'"

throwing personal insuts immediately defeats anything you had to say, but actually motoring/motorists ARE the biggest threat and have being for decades to our society. I guess you think that 30,000 pollution deaths from motoring is no big deal, I guess the cost to the nation of subsidising every single motorist is no threat to our nation. I presume you think that obesity levels that cost the NHS billions due to people being sat in cars are no threat to our society, what about the £30billion cost to the nation just from thos KSI stats?
Motoring is far more a bigger threat to our society than terrorism ever could be, you simply have no idea!!

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Quote: knockersbumpMKII "throwing personal insuts immediately defeats anything you had to say, but actually motoring/motorists ARE the biggest threat and have being for decades to our society. I guess you think that 30,000 pollution deaths from motoring is no big deal, I guess the cost to the nation of subsidising every single motorist is no threat to our nation. I presume you think that obesity levels that cost the NHS billions due to people being sat in cars are no threat to our society, what about the £30billion cost to the nation just from thos KSI stats?
Motoring is far more a bigger threat to our society than terrorism ever could be, you simply have no idea!!'"


Obesity levels are because people eat too much and dont exercise enough. I drive everywhere, including the 30 second drive to work and im not fat. Do you know why? Because i dont fill my face with junk food whilst sat in front of the TV like 95% of the population. If you are fat, you eat too much (bar those that have an underlying condition), not because you have a car.

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Quote: knockersbumpMKII "throwing personal insuts immediately defeats anything you had to say, but actually motoring/motorists ARE the biggest threat and have being for decades to our society. I guess you think that 30,000 pollution deaths from motoring is no big deal, I guess the cost to the nation of subsidising every single motorist is no threat to our nation. I presume you think that obesity levels that cost the NHS billions due to people being sat in cars are no threat to our society, what about the £30billion cost to the nation just from thos KSI stats?
Motoring is far more a bigger threat to our society than terrorism ever could be, you simply have no idea!!'"

Lol. I think you've pretty comprehensively defeated yourself there. icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif

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Quote: knockersbumpMKII "throwing personal insuts immediately defeats anything you had to say, but actually motoring/motorists ARE the biggest threat and have being for decades to our society. I guess you think that 30,000 pollution deaths from motoring is no big deal, I guess the cost to the nation of subsidising every single motorist is no threat to our nation. I presume you think that obesity levels that cost the NHS billions due to people being sat in cars are no threat to our society, what about the £30billion cost to the nation just from thos KSI stats?
Motoring is far more a bigger threat to our society than terrorism ever could be, you simply have no idea!!'"


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Quote: Lebron James "Obesity levels are because people eat too much and dont exercise enough. I drive everywhere, including the 30 second drive to work and im not fat. Do you know why? Because i dont fill my face with junk food whilst sat in front of the TV like 95% of the population. If you are fat, you eat too much (bar those that have an underlying condition), not because you have a car.

Regards

King James'"

There is a lot of evidence between private car use and obesity levels and why people don't exersice enough. maybe you might want to bother to do some research and not use a singular anecdote as facts.
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Quote: knockersbumpMKII "There is a lot of evidence between private car use and obesity levels and why people don't exersice enough. maybe you might want to bother to do some research and not use a singular anecdote as facts.
regards'"


People dont exercise enough because they are lazy, not because they own a private car. Its like saying people are fat because they own an oven.

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Quote: Legends and Icons "100% false flag'"


Missed this Gem. Why is it, whenever there is some major incident it's always either a false flag or the cia's doing? Why can't conspiracy nut jobs just apply ochams razor?

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Quote: GUBRATS "I'm not advocating it , I'm posting it as a question

Given that stopping any larg]e vehicle with a determined driver at the wheel is virtually impossible other than shooting them ( in Nice it was a matter of seconds/a couple of minutes before the police were attempting just that ) it could conceivably be over 30 minutes before an armed response team could be on the scene in the UK

The potential for death and injury is huge

Very scary'"


You don't live in London, where we have had terrorist attacks more than once over a number of decades and where, it's fair to say, we probably expect that they might happen again – or at least that a tiny minority of loons will be contemplating such attacks even as I post.

Personally, the IRA rattled the windows of my home twice. I heard their bombs more than that.

I work in an area of London just around the corner from two of the 7/7 bombs. I know people who ran out to help. There is an acknowledged (ie obvious) potential target in such an area, and my employer works in conjunction with the unions, the police and other local businesses to maintain and build vigilance.

I'm going to suggest that you don't have a clue what that actually feels like or is about. I doubt you've ever actually heard a bomb explode – let alone several, let alone ones that you can later identify as having killed other human beings.

Can we stop another Nice? Not by policing – simply because no nation on this earth can police each and every street and each and every public gathering at every moment of every day of every month of every years.

Try to use the stuff between your ears.

And will it always be London? No – just as it won't always be Paris. It will be what some tiny group or some lone idiot is near to and thinks possible.

So what are YOU going to do? Run away and hide – thus giving into whatever terrorists happen to be busy at the time? Ask stupid, dumb questions on an internet form – or decide that no group or individual will stop you living your life and thus you'll get on with it?

It's your choice.

PS: I travelled to France for a holiday less than 24 hours after the Nice attack. I travelled through Paris less than 24 hours before the attacks last November. I do not find the nearness comfortable.

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Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Hull KR
Sat 8th Mar
SL
17:30
Catalans-Leeds
Sun 9th Mar
SL
17:30
Warrington-Wakefield
SL
17:30
Wigan-Huddersfield
Thu 20th Mar
SL
20:00
Salford-Huddersfield
Fri 21st Mar
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Warrington
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
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Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
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