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Quote: Cronus "The May deal isn't perfect, but it'll do a job. I've said all along we won't get the perfect deal - the EU isn't going to let a nation leave and give them the same benefits - but as long as we can continue to work with them we'll be fine.

Economies adapt, and the UK economy is resilient - indeed it has performed far better than most experts predicted post-referendum. Economies already adapt as markets boom and bust, as recessions come and go. The EU share of UK and global trade has been diminishing for decades while non-EU has boomed and indeed surpassed the EU from the UK's perspective. We now go out and seize that business without the restraints of the EU, whilst still trading with the EU. Any potential decrease in EU trade (likely to be marginal) can be offset by growth in non-EU trade.

The EU, meanwhile, can carry on with its political turmoil and growing dissatisfaction of many member nations, political parties and huge swathes of the populace, including the growth of far-right sentiment driven largely by their own policies. The UK will have made its decision and be in a stable place, able to reach decisions far more quickly and to trade independently.'"


Not often I agree with you , but that's pretty much ' it ' in a nutshell

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Quote: Cronus "The May deal isn't perfect, but it'll do a job. I've said all along we won't get the perfect deal - the EU isn't going to let a nation leave and give them the same benefits - but as long as we can continue to work with them we'll be fine.

Economies adapt, and the UK economy is resilient - indeed it has performed far better than most experts predicted post-referendum. Economies already adapt as markets boom and bust, as recessions come and go. The EU share of UK and global trade has been diminishing for decades while non-EU has boomed and indeed surpassed the EU from the UK's perspective. We now go out and seize that business without the restraints of the EU, whilst still trading with the EU. Any potential decrease in EU trade (likely to be marginal) can be offset by growth in non-EU trade.

The EU, meanwhile, can carry on with its political turmoil and growing dissatisfaction of many member nations, political parties and huge swathes of the populace, including the growth of far-right sentiment driven largely by their own policies. The UK will have made its decision and be in a stable place, able to reach decisions far more quickly and to trade independently.'"



Here's where we have a fundamental difference of opinion.

Our trade with the EU has reached it's current level, not because the EU nations are X times better than other nations but, primarily because of our geographic proximity to one another, allowing us to make great use of just in time service to allow fast, efficient manufacturing with frictionless trade, using the relative strenghts of our closest neighbours.

We do of course trade furhter afield with China, India, Bangaldesh etc, etc but, whilst some of our trade with the EU could be replaced, much of our "set up" has occured to best service our largest export market.

THe one certainty is that, should trading within the EU become more problematic (post Brexit) many of the international companies, currently situated in the UK but servicing the EU export market will simply re locate to within the EU, not to mention our "jewel in the crown" finance sector, which the Germans and French would love to "steal" from us.

A few cheaper imposrts simply wont fill the hole.

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Quote: The Devil's Advocate "I'm struggling to see which party you mean by that statement?

It sounds like both of 'em.

Either way, I suggest you vote for them next time, in homage, that's if you get your Utopian of "No Deal".'"

What on earth makes you think no deal is my 'utopia'? Reading not your strong point? eusa_eh.gif

If you're struggling to understand there's probably not much point in explaining. But let's give it a go: Labour's official position is to vote against the deal. The majority of Tories will vote for the deal.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "Here's where we have a fundamental difference of opinion.

Our trade with the EU has reached it's current level, not because the EU nations are X times better than other nations but, primarily because of our geographic proximity to one another, allowing us to make great use of just in time service to allow fast, efficient manufacturing with frictionless trade, using the relative strenghts of our closest neighbours.

We do of course trade furhter afield with China, India, Bangaldesh etc, etc but, whilst some of our trade with the EU could be replaced, much of our "set up" has occured to best service our largest export market.

THe one certainty is that, should trading within the EU become more problematic (post Brexit) many of the international companies, currently situated in the UK but servicing the EU export market will simply re locate to within the EU, not to mention our "jewel in the crown" finance sector, which the Germans and French would love to "steal" from us.

A few cheaper imposrts simply wont fill the hole.'"

No argument with any of that.

And in view of this, one wonders why you're not lobbying Labour HQ to vote for the deal? After all, with a deal in place all of that can and will continue, largely unfettered. In the event of a no deal then yes, we risk losing a lot - and that is exactly what Labour is steering us towards in their attempt to provoke a General Election.

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Quote: Cronus "No argument with any of that.

And in view of this, one wonders why you're not lobbying Labour HQ to vote for the deal? After all, with a deal in place all of that can and will continue, largely unfettered. In the event of a no deal then yes, we risk losing a lot - and that is exactly what Labour is steering us towards in their attempt to provoke a General Election.'"



The deal as I understand it, is typical Teresa May stuff, keep everything simmering but not actually face the issue.

Ireland has a stay of execution but, still remains the elephant in the room, we have a temporary customs union which we may or may not be able to extract ourselves from and we remain governed by EU law, whilst sacrificing our ability to affect it (our veto will no longer apply).

Do you think this is acceptable, because, it appears worse than we currently have.
As for lobbying Labour HQ, I believe they are only bothered about thie own political future and couldnt give a tinkers toss about whether we are in or out.
The have NEVER properly comitted to leave or remain and merely hoped thet the Tories would implode (still possible).
Immigration from the EU has understandably slowed and yet "controlled" immigration from elsewhere is already rising - maybe there was an agenda on this all along, there certainly was from certain sectors of the country.

The whole concept of LEAVE was built on a sham, driven primarily by some very wealthy right wing "Tories" who, have safely protected their wealth off shore and yet it iw they who want us to leave the EU and the masses are too dumb to realise that they were being sold a pup.

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Quote: Cronus "What on earth makes you think no deal is my 'utopia'? Reading not your strong point? 4.0791015625:5
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