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| Across the UK, nearly 12% of the 2.1 million construction workers come from abroad, mainly from the EU. There are 350,000 people who work in London’s construction sector, of which just over half are from the UK, while 27% are from the EU. London needs an extra 13,000 new workers each year until 2021 to plug the skills gap needed in London’s construction workforce. The vast majority of the building sector opposes Brexit, even those who traditionally support the Tories.
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| Quote: tigertot "Across the UK, nearly 12% of the 2.1 million construction workers come from abroad, mainly from the EU. There are 350,000 people who work in London’s construction sector, of which just over half are from the UK, while 27% are from the EU. London needs an extra 13,000 new workers each year until 2021 to plug the skills gap needed in London’s construction workforce. The vast majority of the building sector opposes Brexit, even those who traditionally support the Tories.'"
Interesting figures/stastics , I assume that your reference to majority of building sector opposition to brexit ,means the employers.
Quite understandable as they could lose a major source of cheap labour. Both the tories and labour have never really invested in major training programs for young people. Neither in construction or engineering disciplines. Obviously we are now suffering a skills shortage.
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| Quote: Backwoodsman "Both the tories and labour have never really invested in major training programs for young people. Neither in construction or engineering disciplines. Obviously we are now suffering a skills shortage.'"
I don't know if that's the case or not, since I have no knowledge of either sector; but it does ring true.
Hopefully, Labour's plans to improve educational outcomes and make FE and re-training more accessible to many more people will go some way to addressing it; and I believe the new approach to Apprenticeships will bear fruit in the longer term - it certainly seems that way in the sector in which I do have expertise.
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| Quote: Backwoodsman "Interesting figures/stastics , I assume that your reference to majority of building sector opposition to brexit ,means the employers.
Quite understandable as they could lose a major source of cheap labour. Both the tories and labour have never really invested in major training programs for young people. Neither in construction or engineering disciplines. Obviously we are now suffering a skills shortage.'"
Don't come on here being all reasonable. Yes, construction in this country is dominated by a handful of major housebuilders on the housing side while the major capital schemes by probably less than 10 companies. The irony is none of them employ their own craftsmen. It is all sub-contracted out to labour who have little or no empathy with the client or the project. There has been, as you say, no apprenticeships for many years. One faint hint of optimism is that this is very gradually changing recently.
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| Quote: bren2k "I don't know if that's the case or not, since I have no knowledge of either sector; but it does ring true.
Hopefully, Labour's plans to improve educational outcomes and make FE and re-training more accessible to many more people will go some way to addressing it; and I believe the new approach to Apprenticeships will bear fruit in the longer term - it certainly seems that way in the sector in which I do have expertise.'"
The Tories certainly did their best to ditch the concept of the apprenticeship in the 80s. Presumably because most of the industries where youngsters traditionally took apprenticeships were pretty much shut down.
My own personal opinion is that as a group, the young tend not to vote in the numbers of say pensioners.
So presumably that is why in the past 7 years the Tories have done away with EMA, trebled university tuition fees etc.. ie all policies that have been to the detriment of young ( potential) voters.
If you don't bother voting you suffer the consequences, sadly.
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| Quote: Rob from Erith "The Tories certainly did their best to ditch the concept of the apprenticeship in the 80s. Presumably because most of the industries where youngsters traditionally took apprenticeships were pretty much shut down.
My own personal opinion is that as a group, the young tend not to vote in the numbers of say pensioners.
So presumably that is why in the past 7 years the Tories have done away with EMA, trebled university tuition fees etc.. ie all policies that have been to the detriment of young ( potential) voters.
If you don't bother voting you suffer the consequences, sadly.'"
And the very same reason Blair kept increasing benefits - his core vote
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "And the very same reason Blair kept increasing benefits - his core vote'"
Fake news. He spent the extra welfare budget in surestart centres etc and took more people out of poverty.
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| Quote: Rob from Erith "The Tories certainly did their best to ditch the concept of the apprenticeship in the 80s. Presumably because most of the industries where youngsters traditionally took apprenticeships were pretty much shut down.
My own personal opinion is that as a group, the young tend not to vote in the numbers of say pensioners.
So presumably that is why in the past 7 years the Tories have done away with EMA, trebled university tuition fees etc.. ie all policies that have been to the detriment of young ( potential) voters.
If you don't bother voting you suffer the consequences, sadly.'"
You're absolutely right - the Tories have traditionally appealed to the old because they're the ones who get out and vote; which is why it's even more bizarre that in this election campaign, they turned against them at the last minute with dementia tax, refusal to guarantee the triple lock and the means testing of winter fuel allowance. Arrogance?
Meanwhile, it does appear, at least in my particular echo chamber, that Corbyn has galvanised the young; it would be a really positive outcome if they turn out in bigger numbers - and he makes good on his promise to lower the voting age to 16 - that would force politicians of all stripes to engage with a very different demographic.
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| Quote: "You're absolutely right - the Tories have traditionally appealed to the old because they're the ones who get out and vote; which is why it's even more bizarre that in this election campaign, they turned against them at the last minute with dementia tax, refusal to guarantee the triple lock and the means testing of winter fuel allowance. Arrogance?'"
Arrogance or a realisation that future spending/investment needs to be paid for and that should ride above political manoeuvring. Thats brave politics not the appeasing 'hope' that Jezza comes out with.
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| Apparently over three thousand people are on the security forces watch list. Perhaps it's me being too simplistic but any of this scum who has no British passport should be deported immediately.
Unfortunately the current human rights act forbids that. Jezza is in complete agreement with this act. If he wins power ,he has no plans in place to change anything with this act.
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| Quote: TrinityIHC "Fake news. He spent the extra welfare budget in surestart centres etc and took more people out of poverty.'"
By increasing their benefits - welfare spending in the last 10 years of the Labour government increased by 45% in real terms - housing benefit alone increased by 9bn during this time. These are facts.
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| Most of the welfare budget goes on old age pensions.
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| Quote: Backwoodsman "Unfortunately the current human rights act forbids that.'"
Fake news; rltake it from a man who knows.rl
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| Quote: Bullseye "Most of the welfare budget goes on old age pensions.'"
rlCorrect.rl
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| Quote: bren2k "Fake news; rltake it from a man who knows.rl'"
I think Backwardsman is talking about deporting people for thoughts.
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