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Quote: BobbyD "Of course the income gap has widened. People with money tend to be able "earn" more by simply doing nothing other than letting their money accrue interest in a bank. When they start making it work it grows even quicker, unless they invest it idiotically. So, if you don't want income parity, then how much disparity do you want, how much is acceptable? According to recent reports, the highest earning 1% shell out 30% of all income tax. Let's start from that.

I wasn't comparing harvest festivals to foodbanks, as they're basically one in the same thing. A mechanism to distribute food to those who need it. So, that's one straw man I didn't introduce.'"


Do you know why the top 1% pay 30% of the tax take?

It's because they "earn" more, earnings that have increased at a more rapid rate than those in the 99% bracket. We seem to be entering into a race to the bottom by offering lower rates of taxation to the highest earners both individual and corporate. All that does is then shift th burden even further onto those at the lower end of the earnings scale.

How is that fair in a modern society?

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Quote: cod'ead "Do you know why the top 1% pay 30% of the tax take?

It's because they "earn" more, earnings that have increased at a more rapid rate than those in the 99% bracket. We seem to be entering into a race to the bottom by offering lower rates of taxation to the highest earners both individual and corporate. All that does is then shift th burden even further onto those at the lower end of the earnings scale.

How is that fair in a modern society?'"


I am not sure your last statement is correct. Personal allowances have been increased significantly by this government - proportionately this benefits the lower paid much more and has the impact of lowering the taxes to the lower paid. Corporate tax decreases should benefit society as a whole - in theory - as more companies will look to domicile in the UK rather than take their affairs overseas.

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Quote: Dally "Where did you answer?

I think isostatic readjustment may have played a part in the North Norfolk flloding. There, I have answered all you questions ever - in similar fashion to your "answering."'"


No, you haven't.

I gave you answers to your stupid little 'questions'. You might not like the answers; you may well not agree with them, but I gave you answers.

I also answered your question about where the evidence on the costs of income inequality comes from.

It's your own stupid fault if you don't want to do some reading up on it, but don't come back pretending that you know anything about it.

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Quote: Sal Paradise "I am not sure your last statement is correct. Personal allowances have been increased significantly by this government - proportionately this benefits the lower paid much more and has the impact of lowering the taxes to the lower paid. Corporate tax decreases should benefit society as a whole - in theory - as more companies will look to domicile in the UK rather than take their affairs overseas.'"


Sorry but you are wrong.

The vast majority of the bottom centile are already receiving some form of benefit (tax credits or housing benefit), any increase in personal allowances is immediately cancelled out by a similar reduction in working benefits. So the lowest paid gain buggerall. The main beneficiaries of increasing personal allowances are middle-income earners.

If you seriously believe that any corporation already engaged in offshoring its tax liabilities will suddenly decide to bring everything back under UK tax jurisdiction because we've knocked a couple of points off corporation tax, then you're away with the fairies.

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Quote: cod'ead "Sorry but you are wrong.

The vast majority of the bottom centile are already receiving some form of benefit (tax credits or housing benefit), any increase in personal allowances is immediately cancelled out by a similar reduction in working benefits. So the lowest paid gain buggerall. The main beneficiaries of increasing personal allowances are middle-income earners.

If you seriously believe that any corporation already engaged in offshoring its tax liabilities will suddenly decide to bring everything back under UK tax jurisdiction because we've knocked a couple of points off corporation tax, then you're away with the fairies.'"


We must as always agree to differ - where is your cut off point of the "bottom centime" I suspect there are significant numbers of individuals who will have benefitted from the increase in personal allowances who are not in receipt of benefits e.g. younger single workers who still live at home of which there will be hundreds of thousands.

On corporate taxation if lower the taxation brings negative financial returns why do it? It quite clearly doesn't but once again you know best!!

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Quote: Sal Paradise " I suspect there are significant numbers of individuals who will have benefitted from the increase in personal allowances who are not in receipt of benefits e.g. younger single workers who still live at home of which there will be hundreds of thousands.

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Of course there are. Unfortunately however it is a coalition policy (a liberal democrat one to be specific) hence it is automatically bad regardless of whether it actually helps people or not. icon_rolleyes.gif

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Quote: Ajw71 "Of course there are. Unfortunately however it is a coalition policy (a liberal democrat one to be specific) hence it is automatically bad regardless of whether it actually helps people or not.
Boo!

Any answers forthcoming or are you simply here to cheerlead?

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Quote: cod'ead "Boo!

Any answers forthcoming or are you simply here to cheerlead?'"


Don't be silly.

He never answers questions: he lacks the facility to come up with anything other than a plagiarised soundbite, some poll or an 'oh yes, you're so right'.

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Quote: Mintball "No, you haven't.

I gave you answers to your stupid little 'questions'. You might not like the answers; you may well not agree with them, but I gave you answers.

I also answered your question about where the evidence on the costs of income inequality comes from.

It's your own stupid fault if you don't want to do some reading up on it, but don't come back pretending that you know anything about it.'"


As usual no answers just juvenile insults. At least you are consistent.

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Quote: Ajw71 " icon_wave.gif icon_wave.gif icon_wave.gif icon_wave.gif icon_wave.gif sleepy.gif sleepy.gif sleepy.gif sleepy.gif sleepy.gif

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Quote: Him "Why? And can you define social spend yet? Or why pure GDP is the sign of wealth of a nation?

What fact? You haven't stated any.

No it's not. Anyone who describes the French economy as a basket case, thereby equating it to Greece, doesn't understand economics. Having said that our dear Chancellor kept equating the UK to Greece so it's an easy mistake to make, especially if you don't know what you're on about.

Why do people on the right insist on making stuff up?

Do we? How are you quantifying how much is spent per head at school kids compared to other countries? Because they aren't easily obtainable or comparable figures. And how are you quantifying the outcomes?

What makes you think it's extra spending that means the outcomes today are worse (in your opinion) than in your day?
Are you saying that schools, teachers and students are more complacent than they used to be? Because I think you'd be in a minority there.'"


In our day teaching was seen as a noble profession a bit like nursing - under paid - a vocation. Can you honestly say that is still the case. If the standard of education is improving why are they dumbing down the exams?

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Quote: Sal Paradise "In our day teaching was seen as a noble profession a bit like nursing - under paid - a vocation. Can you honestly say that is still the case. If the standard of education is improving why are they dumbing down the exams?'"



Is that really true though ?

I like to think that my early 1970s O levels were "worth" so much more than my own kids GCSE's but when helping them with their homework a few years back either their coursework was as hard as I remember mine being, or I'd forgotten everything I was taught.

Just to preempt the reply that businesses are forever complaining about the standard of English and Maths in their young employees, there was nothing wrong with my O level English when I started an office job in 1974 but everything wrong with my application of English in those first months of that job, I'd never written a business letter before I got the job, had hardly even used the bloody telephone, but I was tutored by my employer and shown these things - something that most employers seem to expect to be already supplied as part of the school leaver package these days ?

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Quote: Sal Paradise "In our day teaching was seen as a noble profession a bit like nursing - under paid - a vocation. Can you honestly say that is still the case. If the standard of education is improving why are they dumbing down the exams?'"

I've no reason to believe the teaching profession is particularly either over or undervalued today compared to the past.
I've also no reason to believe that teachers are overpaid.
Though, from my limited knowledge, I'd suggest its harder being a teacher today than in the past and that the role and duties of a teacher are not fully known/misunderstood by a lot of people.

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Quote: Him "I've no reason to believe the teaching profession is particularly either over or undervalued today compared to the past.
I've also no reason to believe that teachers are overpaid.
Though, from my limited knowledge, I'd suggest its harder being a teacher today than in the past and that the role and duties of a teacher are not fully known/misunderstood by a lot of people.'"


I did not say today's teachers are overpaid - I said teachers in our day were underpaid. Nor did I say the teaching profession was under/over valued by society. What I said was teachers saw the role as a profession and accept the T&C as an occupational hazard.

I would agree it is harder to be a teacher these days as the behavioural standards in society have dropped and the respect for your elders has subsided.

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Quote: JerryChicken "Is that really true though ?

I like to think that my early 1970s O levels were "worth" so much more than my own kids GCSE's but when helping them with their homework a few years back either their coursework was as hard as I remember mine being, or I'd forgotten everything I was taught.

Just to preempt the reply that businesses are forever complaining about the standard of English and Maths in their young employees, there was nothing wrong with my O level English when I started an office job in 1974 but everything wrong with my application of English in those first months of that job, I'd never written a business letter before I got the job, had hardly even used the bloody telephone, but I was tutored by my employer and shown these things - something that most employers seem to expect to be already supplied as part of the school leaver package these days ?'"


If you want to see how dumbed down the exams have become compare exam papers from the mid 1970's to now - especial in technically subjects such as Maths and Sciences.

I agree re. the last paragraph - but isn't that the point of education? It should be possible to combine knowledge with some life skills in the 11/12 years that kids are in the education system.

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v
Leeds
 Fri 11th Apr 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R6
09:00
St.George
v
Gold Coast
11:00
Brisbane
v
Sydney
     Mens Super League XXX-R7
20:00
Hull KR
v
Wigan
20:00
St.Helens
v
Wakefield
 Sat 12th Apr 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R6
06:00
Cronulla
v
Manly
08:30
Souths
v
NQL Cowboys
10:35
Parramatta
v
Canberra
       Championship 2025-R6
17:00
LondonB
v
Batley
     Mens Super League XXX-R7
17:30
Warrington
v
Hull FC
       Championship 2025-R6
18:00
Sheffield
v
Toulouse
     Mens Super League XXX-R7
20:00
Castleford
v
Leigh
 Sun 13th Apr 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R6
05:00
Melbourne
v
NZ Warriors
07:05
Newcastle
v
Wests
     Mens Super League XXX-R7
15:00
Huddersfield
v
Catalans
       Championship 2025-R6
15:00
Hunslet
v
Halifax
15:00
Oldham
v
Featherstone
15:00
Widnes
v
Barrow
15:00
York
v
Doncaster
 Thu 17th Apr 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R7
10:50
Manly
v
St.George
     Mens Super League XXX-R8
20:00
Wakefield
v
Castleford
 Fri 18th Apr 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R7
07:05
Canterbury
v
Souths
11:00
Dolphins
v
Melbourne
       League One 2025-R6
14:00
Midlands
v
Crusaders
       Championship 2025-R7
15:00
Barrow
v
LondonB
15:00
Batley
v
Hunslet
15:00
Doncaster
v
Sheffield
15:00
Featherstone
v
York
15:00
Halifax
v
Bradford
15:00
Widnes
v
Oldham
       League One 2025-R6
15:00
Dewsbury
v
Newcastle
15:00
Rochdale
v
Swinton
15:00
Workington
v
Whitehaven
18:30
Keighley
v
Goole V
     Mens Super League XXX-R8
20:00
Hull FC
v
Hull KR
20:00
Wigan
v
St.Helens
20:00
Leeds
v
Huddersfield
 Sat 19th Apr 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R7
08:30
NZ Warriors
v
Brisbane
10:35
Sydney
v
Penrith
     Mens Super League XXX-R8
20:00
Leigh
v
Warrington
20:00
Catalans
v
Salford
 Sun 20th Apr 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R7
05:00
Gold Coast
v
Canberra
07:05
Newcastle
v
Cronulla
 Mon 21st Apr 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R7
07:00
Wests
v
Parramatta
 Thu 24th Apr 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R8
10:50
Brisbane
v
Canterbury
     Mens Super League XXX-R9
20:00
Warrington
v
St.Helens
20:00
Leeds
v
Hull KR
 Fri 25th Apr 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R8
07:00
Sydney
v
St.George
09:05
NZ Warriors
v
Newcastle
11:10
Melbourne
v
Souths
     Mens Super League XXX-R9
20:00
Salford
v
Leigh
 Sat 26th Apr 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R8
08:30
NQL Cowboys
v
Gold Coast
10:35
Penrith
v
Manly
     Mens Super League XXX-R9
15:00
Huddersfield
v
Castleford
17:30
Catalans
v
Wakefield
       Championship 2025-R8
18:00
Featherstone
v
Toulouse
 Sun 27th Apr 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R8
05:00
Canberra
v
Dolphins
07:05
Wests
v
Cronulla
       League One 2025-R7
13:00
Cornwall
v
Keighley
14:30
Crusaders
v
Whitehaven
     Mens Super League XXX-R9
15:00
Hull FC
v
Wigan
       Championship 2025-R8
15:00
Barrow
v
Doncaster
15:00
Halifax
v
LondonB
15:00
Oldham
v
Bradford
15:00
Sheffield
v
Batley
15:00
York
v
Widnes
       League One 2025-R7
15:00
Dewsbury
v
Rochdale
15:00
Newcastle
v
Goole V
15:00
Workington
v
Swinton
 Fri 2nd May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R9
09:00
Cronulla
v
Parramatta
11:05
Sydney
v
Dolphins
       League One 2025-R8
20:00
Newcastle
v
Workington
 Sat 3rd May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R9
06:00
Souths
v
Newcastle
08:30
NZ Warriors
v
NQL Cowboys
10:45
Wests
v
St.George
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
15:00
Leigh
v
Catalans
       League One 2025-R8
15:00
Rochdale
v
Goole V
       Championship 2025-R9
17:00
LondonB
v
York
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
17:15
Hull KR
v
Salford
       Championship 2025-R9
18:00
Toulouse
v
Halifax
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
19:30
St.Helens
v
Leeds
 Sun 4th May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R9
04:50
Gold Coast
v
Canterbury
07:05
Penrith
v
Brisbane
09:25
Melbourne
v
Canberra
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
13:00
Huddersfield
v
Hull FC
       League One 2025-R8
13:00
Cornwall
v
Midlands
       Championship 2025-R9
15:00
Batley
v
Barrow
15:00
Bradford
v
Sheffield
15:00
Doncaster
v
Oldham
15:00
Hunslet
v
Widnes
       League One 2025-R8
15:00
Swinton
v
Crusaders
15:00
Whitehaven
v
Dewsbury
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
15:15
Wigan
v
Warrington
17:30
Castleford
v
Wakefield
 Thu 8th May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R10
10:50
Parramatta
v
Dolphins
 Fri 9th May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R10
09:00
Newcastle
v
Gold Coast
11:00
Souths
v
Brisbane
 Sat 10th May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R10
06:00
Canberra
v
Canterbury
08:30
St.George
v
NZ Warriors
10:35
NQL Cowboys
v
Penrith
       Championship 2025-R10
17:00
Oldham
v
Toulouse
 Sun 11th May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R10
05:00
Melbourne
v
Wests
07:05
Manly
v
Cronulla
       League One 2025-R9
14:30
Crusaders
v
Newcastle
       Championship 2025-R10
15:00
Batley
v
Bradford
15:00
Halifax
v
Doncaster
15:00
LondonB
v
Sheffield
15:00
Widnes
v
Featherstone
15:00
York
v
Hunslet
       League One 2025-R9
15:00
Dewsbury
v
Cornwall
15:00
Keighley
v
Workington
15:00
Rochdale
v
Midlands
15:00
Whitehaven
v
Goole V
 Thu 15th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
20:00
St.Helens
v
Catalans
 Fri 16th May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R11
09:00
Newcastle
v
Parramatta
11:00
Canterbury
v
Sydney
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
20:00
Leeds
v
Hull FC
20:00
Wigan
v
Leigh
 Sat 17th May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R11
06:00
Dolphins
v
NZ Warriors
08:30
NQL Cowboys
v
Manly
10:35
Cronulla
v
Melbourne
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
15:00
Hull KR
v
Huddersfield
 Sun 18th May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R11
05:00
Brisbane
v
St.George
07:05
Canberra
v
Gold Coast
09:15
Wests
v
Souths
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
15:00
Wakefield
v
Warrington
17:30
Castleford
v
Salford
 Thu 22nd May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R12
10:50
Canterbury
v
Dolphins
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
20:00
Leigh
v
Hull FC
 Fri 23rd May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R12
11:00
Parramatta
v
Manly
       Championship 2025-R11
19:30
Sheffield
v
Hunslet
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
20:00
Huddersfield
v
St.Helens
20:00
Warrington
v
Hull KR
 Sat 24th May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R12
08:30
Penrith
v
Newcastle
10:35
Sydney
v
Cronulla
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
14:30
Castleford
v
Leeds
17:30
Catalans
v
Wigan
       Championship 2025-R11
18:00
Toulouse
v
Barrow
 Sun 25th May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R12
07:05
NZ Warriors
v
Canberra
       League One 2025-R10
14:00
Midlands
v
Whitehaven
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
15:00
Wakefield
v
Salford
       Championship 2025-R11
15:00
Bradford
v
Widnes
15:00
Doncaster
v
LondonB
15:00
Featherstone
v
Batley
15:00
Oldham
v
Halifax
       League One 2025-R10
15:00
Keighley
v
Crusaders
15:00
Rochdale
v
Newcastle
15:00
Swinton
v
Cornwall
15:00
Workington
v
Goole V
 Thu 29th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R13
20:00
Huddersfield
v
Leigh
 Fri 30th May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R13
11:00
St.George
v
Newcastle
     Mens Super League XXX-R13
20:00
Hull KR
v
St.Helens
20:00
Salford
v
Wigan
 Sat 31st May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R13
06:00
Gold Coast
v
Melbourne
08:30
Gold Coast
v
Melbourne
08:30
NQL Cowboys
v
Wests
10:35
Manly
v
Brisbane
     Mens Super League XXX-R13
14:30
Leeds
v
Wakefield
       Championship 2025-R12
17:00
LondonB
v
Widnes
     Mens Super League XXX-R13
17:30
Catalans
v
Hull FC
       Championship 2025-R12
18:00
Batley
v
Toulouse
 Sun 1st Jun 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R13
05:00
Souths
v
NZ Warriors
07:05
Penrith
v
Parramatta
09:15
Sydney
v
Canberra
       League One 2025-R11
13:00
Cornwall
v
Goole V
14:00
Midlands
v
Swinton
14:30
Crusaders
v
Rochdale
     Mens Super League XXX-R13
15:00
Warrington
v
Castleford
       Championship 2025-R12
15:00
Barrow
v
Featherstone
15:00
Doncaster
v
Bradford
15:00
Hunslet
v
Oldham
15:00
York
v
Sheffield
       League One 2025-R11
15:00
Newcastle
v
Keighley
15:00
Workington
v
Dewsbury
 Thu 5th Jun 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R14
10:50
Newcastle
v
Manly
 Fri 6th Jun 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R14
09:00
Melbourne
v
NQL Cowboys
11:00
Dolphins
v
St.George
 Sat 7th Jun 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R14
07:00
Canterbury
v
Parramatta
08:30
Cronulla
v
NZ Warriors
10:35
Brisbane
v
Gold Coast
 Sun 8th Jun 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R14
05:00
Canberra
v
Souths
07:05
Wests
v
Penrith
 Thu 12th Jun 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R15
10:50
Cronulla
v
St.George
 Fri 13th Jun 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R15
11:00
Gold Coast
v
Manly
       League One 2025-R12
19:00
Dewsbury
v
Goole V
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
20:00
Hull FC
v
Castleford
20:00
Hull KR
v
Catalans
 Sat 14th Jun 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R15
08:30
Newcastle
v
Sydney
10:35
NQL Cowboys
v
Dolphins
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
15:00
Huddersfield
v
Wigan
17:30
Leeds
v
Warrington
 Sun 15th Jun 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R15
07:05
Souths
v
Canterbury
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
14:30
Wakefield
v
Leigh
       League One 2025-R12
14:30
Crusaders
v
Midlands
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
15:00
Salford
v
St.Helens
       Championship 2025-R13
15:00
Barrow
v
Sheffield
15:00
Batley
v
Doncaster
15:00
Bradford
v
York
15:00
Featherstone
v
Hunslet
15:00
Widnes
v
Halifax
15:00
Toulouse
v
LondonB
       League One 2025-R12
15:00
Keighley
v
Rochdale
15:00
Swinton
v
Workington
15:00
Whitehaven
v
Cornwall
 Thu 19th Jun 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R15
20:00
Castleford
v
Hull KR
 Fri 20th Jun 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R16
11:00
Wests
v
Canberra
       Championship 2025-R14
19:45
Bradford
v
Batley
     Mens Super League XXX-R15
20:00
St.Helens
v
Leeds
20:00
Wakefield
v
Wigan
       Championship 2025-R14
20:00
Featherstone
v
Halifax
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Matches on TV
Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds-Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield-Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Fri 28th Feb
SL
20:00
Huddersfield-Hull FC
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Salford
SL
20:00
Leigh-Catalans
Sat 1st Mar
SL
14:30
Wakefield-St.Helens
SL
21:30
Wigan-Warrington
Sun 2nd Mar
SL
15:00
Leeds-Castleford
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
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