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Quote: wrencat1873 "Interesting that you are so sure about the reduction in transmission after having had the vaccine.
Certainly, our own "experts", although always cautious, are not suggesting this just yet ?

As always, there are a myriad of different opinions as to transmission and it therefore becomes a case of who you should believe.

I hope that you are right but, would have expected that our "experts" and then, of course, Bojo, would be shouting this from the rooftops and as yet, they're not.'"


Lmao. Plenty of experts are claiming it with studies to back it up. But don’t let that get in the way of another rant at Boris Johnson. You are so obsessed it’s embarassing and unnerving. You are nearly as obsessed with Boris as you are with me icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif

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Quote: wrencat1873 "Interesting that you are so sure about the reduction in transmission after having had the vaccine.
Certainly, our own "experts", although always cautious, are not suggesting this just yet ?

As always, there are a myriad of different opinions as to transmission and it therefore becomes a case of who you should believe.

I hope that you are right but, would have expected that our "experts" and then, of course, Bojo, would be shouting this from the rooftops and as yet, they're not.'"


Lmao. Plenty of experts are claiming it with studies to back it up. But don’t let that get in the way of another rant at Boris Johnson. You are so obsessed it’s embarassing and unnerving. You are nearly as obsessed with Boris as you are with me icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif

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Quote: Steph Curry "Lmao. Plenty of experts are claiming it with studies to back it up. But don’t let that get in the way of another rant at Boris Johnson. You are so obsessed it’s embarassing and unnerving. You are nearly as obsessed with Boris as you are with me
YOU talk of "embarrassing" icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif

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Quote: wrencat1873 "Interesting that you are so sure about the reduction in transmission after having had the vaccine.
Certainly, our own "experts", although always cautious, are not suggesting this just yet ?

As always, there are a myriad of different opinions as to transmission and it therefore becomes a case of who you should believe.

I hope that you are right but, would have expected that our "experts" and then, of course, Bojo, would be shouting this from the rooftops and as yet, they're not.'"


The numbers speak for themselves - nobody could argue that the lockdown has become more severe to drive down transmission. If anything lockdown is weakened since Christmas.

Johnson has got so much wrong he will now be over cautious if anything. Even Hancock yesterday said the rates have plummeted - the only thing that has changed is the vaccine roll out. Even Stevie Wonder can see that, you know it too but your never going to admit on here d040.gif

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Speaking of Hancock, is he going to be moving into new accommodation under Her Majesty’s pleasure any time soon? Considering he, you know, broke the law.

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Quote: Willzay "Speaking of Hancock, is he going to be moving into new accommodation under Her Majesty’s pleasure any time soon? Considering he, you know, broke the law.'"

The Tory ethos of taking personal responsibility is only applicable to the poor and powerless and their political opponents.

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Quote: The Ghost of '99 "The Tory ethos of taking personal responsibility is only applicable to the poor and powerless and their political opponents.'"


Completely agree - it was shameful what happened with these contracts - a disgrace.

I can understand the urgency and the need to circumnavigate the tender process but no excuse in giving contracts to firms/individuals who have np experience/expertise in that field.

They rushed the vaccine through but at least the producers had a track record in respect of Pharma.

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Quote: Zoo Zoo Boom "The numbers speak for themselves - nobody could argue that the lockdown has become more severe to drive down transmission. If anything lockdown is weakened since Christmas.

Johnson has got so much wrong he will now be over cautious if anything. Even Hancock yesterday said the rates have plummeted - the only thing that has changed is the vaccine roll out. Even Stevie Wonder can see that, you know it too but your never going to admit on here
I was talking about transmission after being vaccinated, rock all to do with lockdown.
It does now seem that Hancock and co are happy that the vaccine does prevent those vaccinated from spreading the virus, although they still dont know whether this is the case with some of the covid variants.
As for lockdown, of course the numbers have come down.

IF "we" had closed our borders and had a proper lockdown previously, as some other nations have done, we could have prevented the 2nd and 3rd lockdown and been on top of the job.

As things are, the vaccine(s) seem to be doing the job and hopefully, things can begin to open up over the summer..

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Quote: wrencat1873 "I was talking about transmission after being vaccinated, rock all to do with lockdown.
It does now seem that Hancock and co are happy that the vaccine does prevent those vaccinated from spreading the virus, although they still dont know whether this is the case with some of the covid variants.
As for lockdown, of course the numbers have come down.

IF "we" had closed our borders and had a proper lockdown previously, as some other nations have done, we could have prevented the 2nd and 3rd lockdown and been on top of the job.

As things are, the vaccine(s) seem to be doing the job and hopefully, things can begin to open up over the summer..'"


The US closed their borders and the infection rate was amongst the worst in the world. It wouldn't have been practical given the UK is the largest transit hub in Europe. Easy in NZ or Aus.

I agree with much of what you put the vaccine is the game changer - In Israel where a big chunk of people have been vaccinated transmission has fallen off the end of a cliff - which would suggest transmission is slowed down amongst those who have been vaccinated.

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Quote: Zoo Zoo Boom "The US closed their borders and the infection rate was amongst the worst in the world. It wouldn't have been practical given the UK is the largest transit hub in Europe. Easy in NZ or Aus.

I agree with much of what you put the vaccine is the game changer - In Israel where a big chunk of people have been vaccinated transmission has fallen off the end of a cliff - which would suggest transmission is slowed down amongst those who have been vaccinated.'"


Assuming that Boris is right and we are "fully open" in the UK towards the end of June, it will be interesting to see how overseas travel can open up.
The French were citing "the English variant" for a recent spike in their own cases, which doesn't half put the cat among the pigeons as far as overseas travel is concerned.
It's starting to look like vaccine certificates will be here before too long, to add yet another twist to the road to "freedom"

Just getting back to your opening comment. It shouldn't matter what sort of "transit hub" the UK may or may not be.
We should have tightened our border controls way, way more than we did.
There is no point whatsoever in trying to control the virus within the country, if we are going to allow people to fly in and out as the please, it's utterly stupid and it's taken nearly 12 months for government to even begin to realise this.
Of course this would make life more difficult for some but, it's difficult for most people already.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "Assuming that Boris is right and we are "fully open" in the UK towards the end of June, it will be interesting to see how overseas travel can open up.
The French were citing "the English variant" for a recent spike in their own cases, which doesn't half put the cat among the pigeons as far as overseas travel is concerned.
It's starting to look like vaccine certificates will be here before too long, to add yet another twist to the road to "freedom"

Just getting back to your opening comment. It shouldn't matter what sort of "transit hub" the UK may or may not be.
We should have tightened our border controls way, way more than we did.
There is no point whatsoever in trying to control the virus within the country, if we are going to allow people to fly in and out as the please, it's utterly stupid and it's taken nearly 12 months for government to even begin to realise this.
Of course this would make life more difficult for some but, it's difficult for most people already.'"


I don't disagree with you but we allowed all those holidays in July and August and most of the people coming into the country in March and April were UK citizens - should they have been banned from coming home?

Uk holiday makers are a huge revenue source for the likes of Spain and Greece - it will be tough to turn those hundreds of millions away again for a second year.

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Quote: Willzay "Speaking of Hancock, is he going to be moving into new accommodation under Her Majesty’s pleasure any time soon? Considering he, you know, broke the law.'"


Doubt it. Labour set the precedent for breaking the law with no jail time

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Quote: Steph Curry "What about what about what about.

Typical Labour response “whataboutery”'"

Complains about whataboutery one minute.

Quote: Steph Curry "Doubt it. Labour set the precedent for breaking the law with no jail time'"

Engages in whataboutery the next.

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Steph has always been a third rate troll, in all of his previous basketball player guises.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "Assuming that Boris is right and we are "fully open" in the UK towards the end of June, it will be interesting to see how overseas travel can open up.
The French were citing "the English variant" for a recent spike in their own cases, which doesn't half put the cat among the pigeons as far as overseas travel is concerned.
It's starting to look like vaccine certificates will be here before too long, to add yet another twist to the road to "freedom"

Just getting back to your opening comment. It shouldn't matter what sort of "transit hub" the UK may or may not be.
We should have tightened our border controls way, way more than we did.
There is no point whatsoever in trying to control the virus within the country, if we are going to allow people to fly in and out as the please, it's utterly stupid and it's taken nearly 12 months for government to even begin to realise this.
Of course this would make life more difficult for some but, it's difficult for most people already.'"


Iv'e just had my first jab, the AZ, and they said the side effects might start to........从明天起生效 icon_razz.gif

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Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
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Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
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Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
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