Look numb-nuts, you were corrected on your assertion that I was some legendary pathfinder, following my post on driving in fog from hartshead moor services.

Shattered.

I feel much less safe on single-lane A-roads than I do on the motorway. Sure, there are thousands of idiots on motorways, but the three lanes and relative straightness of the roads makes it easier to anticipate and avoid their stupidity. On single-lane A-roads you see some absolutely crazy overtaking in incredibly unsafe situations and, if you were coming the opposite way, there'd quite often be little you could do to avoid it.

I agree that more should be done to educate drivers before giving them a license. I was lucky in that In my last job I spent a lot of time In HGV's as a passenger, and had drivers giving me lots of advice aswell as what I could see for myself on a daily basis. So when I did got on the motorway for the first time ( I had a HGV Driver with me who used to be an instructor) I understood the "laws" of the motorway and how to safely drive on them, So it shocks me when I think the majority of young people who have just passed their test are going out on the motorway for the first time without experienced people with them and no idea of what they are doing. Infact I see countless people driving on the motorway who arent always younger drivers sticking in the middle lane oblivious to how dangerous that can actually be.

Although as much as you can increase standards of driving instructing it still won't stop the d1cks who drive around cutting people up, over taking when they shouldn't be, under taking, speeding and all the rest of it. Better knowledge can stop some deaths, but there's a lot of cases where it is simply peoples attitudes and idiotic driving that causes "accidents" rather than them not knowing how to drive. Earlier this year 2 men where killed near me crossing a dual carriage way, a car in the outside lane slowed to let the 2 men across the road but the car behind decided to undertake the car and as he did the 2 men where killed. It wasn't a shock to anyone round here when it was reported that the driver was a young lad well known for screwing his modified escort around the area. It was an accident waiting to happen. There are too many drivers who just simply don't have any courtesy for other people using the road and will do anything to get where they are going 30 seconds earlier...and this is imo what causes so many accidents. I guess the police hands are tied tho, Theres only so many speed cameras they can put up and unless they are actually there to see people driving dangerously then people will continue to get away with it and will carry on driving that way.

I work with a client that has a global footprint-100000 staff. They have a traffic incident somewhere every 36 hours. A quite remarkable statistic given they are a minerals extraction company.
They have introduced a driving standard that you would think is unworkable
All vehicles less than 3 years old or x mile. All fitted with roll bars etc. High spec vehicles
5 star driving programme- Attendance at a variety of courses
Each vehicle is fitted with an in vehicle monitoring system. If you speed for more than 10 seconds a text is sent to a senior manger similarly if you break harshly or don’t take a break before 120 minutes- All incur disciplinary action!

London buses are being fitted with a traffic light system, they have lights on the dash were if you are driving safely and smoothly it stays green on the other hand if you drive to quick for the road or brake harshly and taken off quickly it goes red, it's all fed back to the garages and the drivers are re-educated as to how to change their driving style, the unions were non too impressed at first seeing it as another way to discip.ie drivers but were assured it was an educational tool rather than a discipline one. The union only came round when they decided to turn it in to a bonus scheme and a whole shift in 'the green' meant a cash bonus in every pay packet.

Well, there is, though. One or two insurance companies will insure young drivers if they fit what amounts to a mini-tachograph. What if someone has demonstrated bad driving (eg convicted of careless or dangerous driving) - is there a case that they can only have their licence back if for 9say) 2 years they have a device fitted, and take it to be analysed once every X weeks - with power to withdraw the licence if it evidences speeding, harsh driving etc.? We seem to have the technology, and it ought to be "user pays"

Yes, I don't think it's at all restricted to car drivers, but without a doubt. One aspect of it is "road rage" where the slightest perceived slight can cause the most disproportionate response. Another is the ability of young males to acquire high powered cars, and run them with no owner registration and no insurance, like friggin' dodgems with no regard at all for anyone else, middle finger at the ready.

The standard of driving is very low in this country but I don't think it's something that more driving lessons (necessarily) can fix; as I think the root cause of the problem is people being too aggressive, impatient and generally oblivious to everything going on around/drive like they are the only person on the road.

I find many of these to be middle aged men and young girls. The young blokes just tend to knowingly drive around like loons.

I'm not sure about that, but certainly don't see it as the main issue (although the criminal failure to give, or even allow, motorway training is an exception).

I think I am coming round to the view that, at least for those who show they are in need of it, some form of technological continuous assessment is about the only thing that would work.


This sort of thing.

Yeah if someone has been convicted of a certain degree of "bad driving" then I'd be all for some sort of monitoring system placed in their cars. However the problem is you're often dealing with pillocks who don't care and would possibly just drive while banned anyway and so wouldn't accept the system.
It might work in some cases though, but I would only be supportive of it for people convicted, not a blanket measure for new/young drivers, which I think is what the insurance companies want.

Also this obviously isn't applicable to a driving test/driving lessons, where I was saying that some more education/information would be helpful in things like motorway driving and driving and reacting to different conditions.

Telemetry technology is reasonably mature now and could be employed to monitor/police many driver functions and behaviour. rlIn-car breathalysersrl have been used in some US states for many years in an attempt to mitigate re-offending among convicted drunk drivers. We also have the technology to remotely control most vehicles' maximum speed too. OK there are quite a number of vehicles that are not suitable but the vast majority on the road now are capable of such controls. It would however be a brave national government that introduces them but they could always hide behind "faceless Brussels beaurocrats"