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Quote: Bullseye "Whatever deal we get will be worse than what we currently enjoy. That's for certain.'"


No, no, everything is going to be fine, in the future when all's well.

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May is certainly high up on the list of useless prime ministers. Fortunately for her and the tories the opposition, jezza and his Marxist pals are equally inept. What we have done to deserve this bunch of labour and Tory shallow incompetents god only knows. Whilst both parties are mud slinging at each other the economy is slowly but surely deteriorating. Still both parties are providing much amusement at the moment. Labour claiming they are for leaving the EU ,whilst most labour members want to remain. Meanwhile the shallow buffoons on the Tory cabinet are more interested in taking the prime ministers job than running the economy. Still call me Dave and boy George are fine and dandy, having left government they are earning a small fortune on various business ventures. If it wasn't so tragic it would be laughable.

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Quote: tigertot "She tried to kill off all traces of opposition by calling a snap election. She is now desperately trying to spread the blame. Zero integrity.'"


Indeed.
With all parties (apart from the Libdems) split over Brexit, it would have been sensible to have some kind of cross party committee to agree the best way forward and try and work out what would be best for the country but, May and the Tories wanted to show just how good they were.
They should be left to self destruct.
The Uk will eventually find a new level.
It may be better than we had pre Brexit or, more likely, it may be worse but, it's what the majority of voters wanted.
The rest of us just remain grateful and bow to their superior knowledge and hope that we are led to the promised land where we can make our own laws and look after our own people and screw the rest.
On the flip side.
There is little doubt that we have given the EU27 a huge problem with funding and the Germans and French must be really happy with us.
Macron is already trying to encourage some big businesses to move across the Channel and it will be really interesting to see how many are enticed over to the EU Mainland.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "It may be better than we had pre Brexit or, more likely, it may be worse but, it's what the majority of voters wanted.'"


It was what the majority of voters wanted then; since reality has started to bite, the latest polls show 60/40 to remain.

The only sensible thing to do now is stop all the chest beating and talking up of casual asides by the maniac Trump, and agree to a 2nd referendum when the terms of the deal have been clarified.

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Quote: bren2k "It was what the majority of voters wanted then; since reality has started to bite, the latest polls show 60/40 to remain.

The only sensible thing to do now is stop all the chest beating and talking up of casual asides by the maniac Trump, and agree to a 2nd referendum when the terms of the deal have been clarified.'"


Although personally, I'd be happy with that, I dont think that could possibly happen.
The only circumstance would be if EVERY media publication could convince the electorate that we would all be significantly worse off on the outside and even then, I dont see it being a runner.
I also believe that there would have to be major changes on "free movement" which, again, I just dont see changing any time soon, although, there is little doubt that the emigration issues in Africa do need urgently addressing.
All of Europe seems to be attractive to large numbers from that continent, particularly, France Germany and England.

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Quote: "Whatever deal we get will be worse than what we currently enjoy. That's for certain'"


Depends how you view it. If reducing the number of eastern Europeans entering the country is your measure of success then for those, it will be a better deal. But thanks for speaking for the nation.

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Quote: Exiled down south "Depends how you view it. If reducing the number of eastern Europeans entering the country is your measure of success then for those, it will be a better deal. But thanks for speaking for the nation.'"


I was speaking from a purely economic point of view with regard to our trading relationship with our biggest market.

I'm not sure those that voted out based solely on eastern European immigration will see Brexit as a success when prices go up but wages don't and they see no discernible difference in their lives. They'll have to be brainwashed to blame the poor or the infirm next.

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Quote: Exiled down south "Depends how you view it. If reducing the number of eastern Europeans entering the country is your measure of success then for those, it will be a better deal. But thanks for speaking for the nation.'"


What is it that you have against "eastern europeans" specifically.

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Quote: Exiled down south "Depends how you view it. If reducing the number of eastern Europeans entering the country is your measure of success then for those, it will be a better deal. But thanks for speaking for the nation.'"


And there speaks the voice of Brexit - broadly, it *was* about immigration; and the dog whistle nonsense of Farage, The Daily Mail and The Sun ensured that EU migrants were painted as the cause of all the ills of this country - so people voted to fix it. It now transpires not only that the campaign was based on lies and misinformation about migration, but also that the Government always had the power to limit the number of EU migrants coming here - but chose not to.

The country now faces a looming economic and social disaster, because of the total lack of conviction, honesty and effectiveness of a small group of wealthy politicians who will always be insulated from the worst impact of their actions. It's a shocker.

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Quote: bren2k "It was what the majority of voters wanted then; since reality has started to bite, the latest polls show 60/40 to remain.'"


The same polls that had remain ahead before the vote?

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Quote: PrinterThe "The same polls that had remain ahead before the vote?'"


rlThisrl seems to sum it up; and this is from the polling company who predicted the Tories would have their majority wiped out, and were derided by Andrew Neil and co on Newsnight.

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There was misinformation on both sides - Osborne said there would be a need for immediate tax increases if we voted to leave - that was clearly a lie.

To me the biggest issues were:
1. Immigration
2. The ability to make our own laws
3. The cost of membership
4. The EU as an organisation - its corruption and wastefulness. When was the last time its accounts were signed off?

Leaving must give the treasury a financial gain as we will no longer have the negative £9bn a year it costs to be a member - if we assume the government pays out the £5bn in subsidies that are currently coming from the EU.

So with that more monies could go into the NHS and education and social care etc.

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Quote: bren2k "rlThisrl seems to sum it up; and this is from the polling company who predicted the Tories would have their majority wiped out, and were derided by Andrew Neil and co on Newsnight.'"

Biased news from a Biased paper about a poll of Cordoroyites.

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Quote: Sal Paradise "

So with that more monies could go into the NHS and education and social care etc.'"


Assuming everything goes swimmingly for our economy thereafter eh?

I expect the time taken to get trade deals and the nature of any deals will have an influence for decades to come.

That £9bn may end up being swallowed up on things compensating for any poorer economic position we find ourselves in. I very much doubt we'll see any economic benefit.

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Quote: PCollinson1990 "Biased news from a Biased paper about a poll of Cordoroyites.'"


It's not biased news you dullard - it's a report about a poll carried out by Survation - who predicted the GE result with startling accuracy, despite it being very much against the received wisdom.

More broadly, I'm shocked that anyone still remains of the view that Brexit will be good for the economy; there is no evidence whatsoever to suggest that, and reams of opinion by economists and experts who are predicting that the negative effects will last for generations. I watched a Brexit documentary the other night, and Nicholas Soames MP, a true blue, bluff old Tory, described with some despair that anyone who thinks trade deals with the rest of the world will be sorted within 2 years was utterly deluded - this stuff takes years to resolve.

And if you voted because of immigration, you were duped; EU migrants are net contributors to the economy, and the Govt knew that, hence why they never used the powers they already had within the EU constitution, to limit their numbers.

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