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'Thus I am tormented by my curiosity and humbled by my ignorance.' from History of an Old Bramin, The New York Mirror (A Weekly Journal Devoted to Literature and the Fine Arts), February 16th 1833.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_33809.png |
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| Quote: IR80 "
Utopia is a VERY dangerous dream, and I defy anyone to build AI that feels true love, hate, remorse, compassion, hunger, the need to procreate.
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Over what sort of time frame? Like, ever? Do you think it is impossible or infeasible even in the long-term?
Do you think intelligence sentience require emotion and desire?
Do you believe in the soul (or similar, if you prefer a different word)?
I agree there are dangers in dreams of any particular Utopia, in that it could inspire people to ruthlessness that they believe is justified by their goal. But would you agree that it is desirable (if almost inherently unachievable) goal? |
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| Quote: Mild Rover "Over what sort of time frame? Like, ever? Do you think it is impossible or infeasible even in the long-term?
Do you think intelligence sentience require emotion and desire?
Do you believe in the soul (or similar, if you prefer a different word)?
I agree there are dangers in dreams of any particular Utopia, in that it could inspire people to ruthlessness that they believe is justified by their goal. But would you agree that it is desirable (if almost inherently unachievable) goal?'"
Anything is possible - the beauty of the human is the way we all react differently to exactly the same input. Are we going have AI that react in 7 billion different ways to one single input? |
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'Thus I am tormented by my curiosity and humbled by my ignorance.' from History of an Old Bramin, The New York Mirror (A Weekly Journal Devoted to Literature and the Fine Arts), February 16th 1833.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_33809.png |
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "Anything is possible - the beauty of the human is the way we all react differently to exactly the same input. Are we going have AI that react in 7 billion different ways to one single input?'"
I think it is plausible, yes, given the complexity required. Even non-sentient, narrow function bots respond differently to the same input. I think key to it is that they wouldn’t be designed in a traditional sense. In that sense, I agree with IR80 that nobody is going to ‘build’ an AI based on blueprints or similar. |
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "Anything is possible - the beauty of the human is the way we all react differently to exactly the same input. Are we going have AI that react in 7 billion different ways to one single input?'"
Over time, with AI taking full effect, would it's influence take out some of the "bumps" in how we all behave, with human beings becoming more and more like the robot's that are having more and more influence on our lives.
It's the nuance within our thoughts and reactions that would be hardest to detect by "machine" and as you say, we could all be thinking "exactly" the same but, our reactions would usually be different.
Taking bereavement as an example, we may all be equally upset at the loss of someone but, one person would have uncontrollable grief, wheras the next person may still be able to carry on. |
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| Quote: Mild Rover "Yeah, sounds alright dunnit? I agree about the utopian take. There’s a theory that entertainment tones tends to go in the opposite direction to societies’ current feeling. So real-world hard times drive up production of happy, feelgood stories and good times see more gritty realism on the page/screen. I’m a bit dubious about the theory, but all the ecological breakdown and demagoguery I need, I can get from the news.'"
Indeed - I'm a huge fan of Bladerunner; these days however, it just feels like a documentary. |
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "Over time, with AI taking full effect, would it's influence take out some of the "bumps" in how we all behave, with human beings becoming more and more like the robot's that are having more and more influence on our lives.
It's the nuance within our thoughts and reactions that would be hardest to detect by "machine" and as you say, we could all be thinking "exactly" the same but, our reactions would usually be different.
Taking bereavement as an example, we may all be equally upset at the loss of someone but, one person would have uncontrollable grief, wheras the next person may still be able to carry on.'"
For AI to really work we would need a far better understanding of the human brain than we currently do. |
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| Quote: bren2k "Indeed - I'm a huge fan of Bladerunner; these days however, it just feels like a documentary.'"
That Rovers will come bottom of the 2020 Super League? |
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'Thus I am tormented by my curiosity and humbled by my ignorance.' from History of an Old Bramin, The New York Mirror (A Weekly Journal Devoted to Literature and the Fine Arts), February 16th 1833.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_33809.png |
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| Quote: WIZEB "That's more like it. ![]()
Something else that I find plausible but doesn’t necessarily make me happy!
‘We’ are trying our best in a sensible enough way, it seems. That’s something, at least.
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| Quote: Mild Rover "In what way? it is just coding.
As you don’t like me trying to be clever, I shan’t start waffling on about histones, DNA methylation and epigenetics. Oops, too late.
Given that biology is a science, I assume you mean biological life beats technological advancement every time. That seems to be patently untrue rather than a fact that remains.
I’m not sure I want to believe in future AIs or that it makes me happy. I just find it plausible and interesting.
So anyway, Boris Johnson. He’s been quite quiet, which is nice. Allowed us to have this little chat that has proved that it isn’t just politics, we don’t agree on much of anything.
What shall we argue about next?'"
The thing is, we disagree, but not argue. I respect your opinion on things, even if we don't share them. One opinion I do share is that KR are doing their best, and I hope they stay up. kR offer a damn sight more than TWP, Leigh, Widnes, but that is a wholly different topic. |
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Why do we need commentators at the rugby on Sky?
Surely AI could do it now? We could just get voice clips of Ray French, Stevo and let the AI monitor the game and when it picks up certain patterns of play, use the relevant voice clip...
"Ooooo NOW THEN! Now! Has he scored? I think he has you know!"
"This 6 foot 4 inch former Blackbrook amateur, signed for FORTY-THOUSAND-POUND"
"That'll be T-R-Y for mine!"
"I'd try for the one pointer"
"Maybe its time for the chip over the top"
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