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Quote: Mintball "Because I, having been told the story by tb, have not personally (yet) had the chance to interrogate him. I see no reason, however, to suggest that he is a liar.'"


I'm not suggesting anyone is a liar, just giving a one-sided and distorted view.

Quote: Mintball "Locog have far-reaching powers to do all manner of things – like placing the portacabins for the cleaners' accommodation, without any recourse to the local council (although that didn't stop the [iDaily Mail[/i printing lies about the council having approved them).'"


Wow, portacabins hey, way worse than being told not to open a business.
LOCOG and the councils can suggest what ever they want, and I've no doubt they have, but I also doubt "they" have ordered anyone to close up shop.

Reducing the number of vehicles in London has been done with the agreement of service providers, if they wanted they could have as many vehicles on the streets of London as they wished, there is nothing in the Games legislation or the London Local Authorities act that allows anyone to prevent them.

Lots of I've heards and third party quotes, not that many facts though.

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Quote: Durham Giant "When i find a nice one of Liebknecht or Luxembourg i wil be happy to change it ( assuming i have the technical ability to do it.)'"


Perhaps if you made the tiniest of efforts ...



No. I don't.

I do, however, find it amusing that you witter on about brands or, as previously, about poppies – ie the symbols that people choose to wear – and then you label yourself here with one that can be interpreted the way I have illustrated.

Quote: Durham Giant "I would also guess ...'"


Indeed.

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Quote: Big Graeme "I'm not suggesting anyone is a liar, just giving a one-sided and distorted view...'"


Hardly "one-sided", given the hype, for years, about how much the economy will benefit etc.

Quote: Big Graeme "Wow, portacabins hey, way worse than being told not to open a business...'"


I haven't commented on that situation – except to point out a fact about who allowed it. As it happens, apparently, they're nowhere near as bad as the [iWail[/i tried to claim. But then again, it was also claiming that the council had voted to allow the situation – when the council had never had any such vote or any involvement whatsoever in the decisions surrounding this. I know this directly from a councillor there that I happen to know.

Quote: Big Graeme "LOCOG and the councils can suggest what ever they want, and I've no doubt they have, but I also doubt "they" have ordered anyone to close up shop.'"


Go back and read what I actually posted.

And they have the power to completely remove Newham Council from the equation and create the accommodation for the cleaners without any recourse to the council, planning permission or anything else. It's irrelevant whether that accommodation is good, bad or indifferent

So deliveries outside of usual hours are 'voluntary'? Are you sure of this?

I return to the question I asked earlier: are you supportive of landlords evicting tenants in order to hike rents for the Games?

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Good to see Cameroon going for gold in rlThe Olympic Hide & Seekrl

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Quote: Mintball "Hardly "one-sided", given the hype, for years, about how much the economy will benefit etc.'"


Yes it is, you wouldn't accept that standard of evidence in a debate, the people with the catering business will have had plenty of notice.

Quote: Mintball "So deliveries outside of usual hours are 'voluntary'? Are you sure of this?'"


Where did I day that?

Quote: Mintball "I return to the question I asked earlier

No. But if you are still on about that catering business that is a totally different proposition to landlords evicting tenants from their houses and flats.

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Quote: JerryChicken "Two points - eBooks are not cheap to download, in fact for some bizarre reason they are more expensive than the paper version - and not many local authorities offer downloadable free library eBooks like Leeds City Council do.

Secondhand books are indeed cheap to buy and the best source of these for me locally is Oxfam, most cities will have a specialist Oxfam books shop and they are quite excellent, however they are still not as numerous as the free public libraries and it would be a real shame to diminish that resource and just leave the commercial sales of books as the only method of reading, in fact I can't think of another single most devastating blow to the nations literacy levels.'"


I would suggest sites like Play are a very cheap source of reading material especially many books can be bought and delivered for as little as £3 - significantly less than the opportunity cost of visiting your library. Very likely the choice at Play will swamp anything your local library will offer. An example Before I go to sleep £2.79, 50 shades of grey £3.85 etc

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Quote: Sal Paradise "I would suggest sites like Play are a very cheap source of reading material especially many books can be bought and delivered for as little as £3 - significantly less than the opportunity cost of visiting your library. Very likely the choice at Play will swamp anything your local library will offer. An example Before I go to sleep £2.79, 50 shades of grey £3.85 etc'"


The "opportunity cost" of visiting a local library ?

Thats your local free library, the one thats free to join and free to loan books from ?

When was the last time you went to your local free library and browsed its multitude of books for half an hour or so, have you ever been to your local free library, let alone costed up the "opportunity cost" of so doing ?

Its one thing to visit an online retailer when you know what you want, but you will never get the browsing experience of a real-life bookshelf in a virtual environment, its simply impossible to select an online book, flick it open half way through and read a couple of pages to see if its grabbing your attention during any book's "flat" phase - sure they all start off at 100mph because most people browse the first page or so to be hooked - you want to look 100 pages in to see whats going on before selecting, I was going to say "buying" but I haven't yet put my "opportunity cost" on a free library book yet.

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Quote: JerryChicken "The "opportunity cost" of visiting a local library ?

Thats your local free library, the one thats free to join and free to loan books from ?

When was the last time you went to your local free library and browsed its multitude of books for half an hour or so, have you ever been to your local free library, let alone costed up the "opportunity cost" of so doing ?

Its one thing to visit an online retailer when you know what you want, but you will never get the browsing experience of a real-life bookshelf in a virtual environment, its simply impossible to select an online book, flick it open half way through and read a couple of pages to see if its grabbing your attention during any book's "flat" phase - sure they all start off at 100mph because most people browse the first page or so to be hooked - you want to look 100 pages in to see whats going on before selecting, I was going to say "buying" but I haven't yet put my "opportunity cost" on a free library book yet.'"

That's because Sal obviously doesn't understand what opportunity cost means.

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Quote: JerryChicken "The "opportunity cost" of visiting a local library ?

Thats your local free library, the one thats free to join and free to loan books from ?

When was the last time you went to your local free library and browsed its multitude of books for half an hour or so, have you ever been to your local free library, let alone costed up the "opportunity cost" of so doing ?

Its one thing to visit an online retailer when you know what you want, but you will never get the browsing experience of a real-life bookshelf in a virtual environment, its simply impossible to select an online book, flick it open half way through and read a couple of pages to see if its grabbing your attention during any book's "flat" phase - sure they all start off at 100mph because most people browse the first page or so to be hooked - you want to look 100 pages in to see whats going on before selecting, I was going to say "buying" but I haven't yet put my "opportunity cost" on a free library book yet.'"


I would suggest a half hour of my time is worth more than the £3 it costs to get the book delivered to my door - my employer thinks so icon_biggrin.gif . For me I want to get into a book and the characters - reading 10 pages in the middle doesn't give me much of feel for the characters and the plot. Horses for courses I suppose.

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Quote: Him "That's because Sal obviously doesn't understand what opportunity cost means.'"


I would suggest as usual you are struggling with comprehension - maybe you need to visit your local library?

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Quote: Sal Paradise "I would suggest as usual you are struggling with comprehension - maybe you need to visit your local library?'"

I would suggest its you that has the problem if you think that by visiting a library you have somehow lost out compared to an alternative. It's free.
Maybe you never got that pay rise from your employer because you were always online looking for books instead of doing that in your spare time like everyone else. When you go out for a drink with your friends do you invoice them for the time spent with them?

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Good to see that one of the most jingoistic of British tabloids has managed to make a balls-up on the front page.

Here's the Daily Express celebrating yesterday's British gold medals. Only problem is, it's a photo of the Dutch dressage teamhttp://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17v9pcxtp09i7jpg/original.jpg" >

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Quote: Sal Paradise "I would suggest sites like Play are a very cheap source of reading material especially many books can be bought and delivered for as little as £3 - significantly less than the opportunity cost of visiting your library. Very likely the choice at Play will swamp anything your local library will offer. An example Before I go to sleep £2.79, 50 shades of grey £3.85 etc'"


50 Shades of Grey?

FFS we're talking about books here, not some soft-core, chick-lit, pulp-fiction trash

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Quote: Him "I would suggest its you that has the problem if you think that by visiting a library you have somehow lost out compared to an alternative. It's free.
Maybe you never got that pay rise from your employer because you were always online looking for books instead of doing that in your spare time like everyone else. When you go out for a drink with your friends do you invoice them for the time spent with them?'"


Opportunity cost is very subjective - would I rather shop at play and use the extra time to play golf with my son who is moving to Australia in September than meander through a library. To me the opportunity cost of visiting the library is very expensive.

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CH 28 York16-6Featherstone
Sat 28th Sep
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SL 28 Warrington23-22St.Helens
NRL 30 Penrith26-6Cronulla
Fri 27th Sep
SL 28 Salford6-14Leigh
NRL 30 Melbourne48-18Sydney
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
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Hull KR 28 729 335 394 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 26 1010 262 748 50
Toulouse 25 744 368 376 35
Bradford 26 678 387 291 34
York 28 682 479 203 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 26 622 500 122 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Swinton 27 474 670 -196 18
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
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