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Quote: wrencat1873 "Never mind trying to identify who may be posting.
Is Thatcher really the Grandmother of the green revolution, I dont think so and is the current self serving PM actually bothered about genuine "green" policies ?
The real issue here is the number of people on the planet and the consumption of those billions, which is the polar opposite of the capitalist ideals that most of the world follows.
Things will certainly get interesting over the next century or so and whilst we will all of departed the planet by then, there should be some thought on how "we" leave the place for future generations.'"

Probably not, just like you aren't really, you both seem to have something in common, like hearing the sound of your own voice, Fine sentiments though on leaving a legacy for future generations.

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Quote: chissitt "Probably not, just like you aren't really, you both seem to have something in common, like hearing the sound of your own voice, Fine sentiments though on leaving a legacy for future generations.'"


Do you think that Thatcher was the "Grandmother" of green policies ?
Ironically, had coal mining still been a major factor in our energy generation policy, we would have had to look at a change before now.
It's gall of Bojo in trying to make political gain out of such a crass, thoughtless comment that provokes comment.
Johnson is indeed a poor mans Trump, deliberately trying to cause some outrage but, unlike Trump, I dont think that he has any grand plan.
I was no fan of Trump but, I do believe that he's a very good negotiator, not sure that Bojo is in the same league.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "Do you think that Thatcher was the "Grandmother" of green policies ?
Ironically, had coal mining still been a major factor in our energy generation policy, we would have had to look at a change before now.
It's gall of Bojo in trying to make political gain out of such a crass, thoughtless comment that provokes comment.
Johnson is indeed a poor mans Trump, deliberately trying to cause some outrage but, unlike Trump, I dont think that he has any grand plan.
I was no fan of Trump but, I do believe that he's a very good negotiator, not sure that Bojo is in the same league.'"

Do you ask that because her dad had a green grocers shop? and I'm not sure how you've managed to slip old Trumpy into it, was he a master of political gain in this country, is it that what irks you so much just because Starmer and his band of misfits can't pilac the good old British public like Boris can.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "Talk about re writing history.
Our "beloved leader" is now suggesting that Maggie closed the pits to give the UK a head start on becoming a "green" economy.
What an absolute tool this man is and I sincerely hope that the "red wall" voters are proud of getting the buffoon elected.

Ironically, 40 years on, there would have needed to be a move away energy generated from coal.
However, did this government not just allow a new open cast coal mine in Cumbria:

He did say it as a joke though surely?

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That's the problem with this lot tho,you could stick a red rosette on a baboon and they'd still vote for it ,times have changed but not for this lot icon_lol.gif

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Quote: JONNYGIANT "That's the problem with this lot tho,you could stick a red rosette on a baboon and they'd still vote for it ,times have changed but not for this lot
Talking of rosettes on baboon, just how well is Boris doing these days.
There are plenty of "true blue" Tories that would vote for the proverbial stuffed pig in a blue jacket. icon_surprised.gifops:

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Wakefield turning blue has shown that the generation has been reached that does not have a hard-wired memory of closing the coal mines. As soon as the heartlands reached the tipping point of being too young to specifically remember their core industries going (Its the same up in the North East just different industries), then their conservative instincts were there to exploit.

The lost labour wall are not going to suddenly have an epiphany and come back to Labour anytime soon. I don't have any sense that they regret their Conservative votes to any meaningful degree. However, as I've mentioned before there is a growing dissatisfaction with Johnson among his core traditional voters who feel, ironically, neglected and forgotten. Some of them will be going Liberal Democrat.

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Quote: Pumpetypump "Wakefield turning blue has shown that the generation has been reached that does not have a hard-wired memory of closing the coal mines. As soon as the heartlands reached the tipping point of being too young to specifically remember their core industries going (Its the same up in the North East just different industries), then their conservative instincts were there to exploit.

The lost labour wall are not going to suddenly have an epiphany and come back to Labour anytime soon. I don't have any sense that they regret their Conservative votes to any meaningful degree. However, as I've mentioned before there is a growing dissatisfaction with Johnson among his core traditional voters who feel, ironically, neglected and forgotten. Some of them will be going Liberal Democrat.'"


You may be right but, when inflation starts to rise and taxes also increase to pay for the pandemic, all those who were drawn in by the "levelling up" promise, will realise that they were sold (another) pup.
In the meantime It's up to Labour to sort themselves out and come up with some policies that have some appeal to the masses and not just bang on about those on benefits.
Of course "we" have to protect the poorest members of society but, there needs to be some "hope" for everyone.

The one certainty is that, should interest rates start to move, coupled with some tax increases, there will be a hell of a lot of people that feel the squeeze.

The national debt has pretty much doubled since 2007 and it will need to be brought down to a lower level.
Again, should interest rates rise, it will take some controlling.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "You may be right but, when inflation starts to rise and taxes also increase to pay for the pandemic, all those who were drawn in by the "levelling up" promise, will realise that they were sold (another) pup.
In the meantime It's up to Labour to sort themselves out and come up with some policies that have some appeal to the masses and not just bang on about those on benefits.
Of course "we" have to protect the poorest members of society but, there needs to be some "hope" for everyone.

The one certainty is that, should interest rates start to move, coupled with some tax increases, there will be a hell of a lot of people that feel the squeeze.

The national debt has pretty much doubled since 2007 and it will need to be brought down to a lower level.
Again, should interest rates rise, it will take some controlling.'"

People weren't drawn in by a leveling up promise ,itv was about Brexit and labours stance on it ,oh and that clown Corbyn and his shadow cabinet full of gompers

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Quote: wrencat1873 "Talking of rosettes on baboon, just how well is Boris doing these days.
There are plenty of "true blue" Tories that would vote for the proverbial stuffed pig in a blue jacket. Not on this thread though eh icon_lol.gif

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Quote: Pumpetypump "Wakefield turning blue has shown that the generation has been reached that does not have a hard-wired memory of closing the coal mines. As soon as the heartlands reached the tipping point of being too young to specifically remember their core industries going (Its the same up in the North East just different industries), then their conservative instincts were there to exploit.

The lost labour wall are not going to suddenly have an epiphany and come back to Labour anytime soon. I don't have any sense that they regret their Conservative votes to any meaningful degree. However, as I've mentioned before there is a growing dissatisfaction with Johnson among his core traditional voters who feel, ironically, neglected and forgotten. Some of them will be going Liberal Democrat.'"

Think the lib dems could gain support but they need another Charles Kennedy type as leader ,somebody who can get their message across,the tories need a credible opposition which ain't coming from Labour anytime soon

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Quote: Pumpetypump "Wakefield turning blue has shown that the generation has been reached that does not have a hard-wired memory of closing the coal mines. As soon as the heartlands reached the tipping point of being too young to specifically remember their core industries going (Its the same up in the North East just different industries), then their conservative instincts were there to exploit.

The lost labour wall are not going to suddenly have an epiphany and come back to Labour anytime soon. I don't have any sense that they regret their Conservative votes to any meaningful degree. However, as I've mentioned before there is a growing dissatisfaction with Johnson among his core traditional voters who feel, ironically, neglected and forgotten. Some of them will be going Liberal Democrat.'"

Think the lib dems could gain support but they need another Charles Kennedy type as leader ,somebody who can get their message across,the tories need a credible opposition which ain't coming from Labour anytime soon

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And could anybody answer my question about the coal mines ,did they return a profit and was it cheaper to import coal

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