2nd lockdown came in on 5th November with 2796 covid patients in a bed in Yorks and Humber peaking at 3841 on 26 January. We've got 376 today.

Like I said, I think we'll be bringing restrictions back at some point. I'd guess probably autumn/winter.

From what I've seen the majority of covid patients in hospital are the unvaccinated and those that have had only one vaccination. There is a smaller proportion that have had both but for who the vaccination hasn't been as effective for a variety of reasons.

To make a judgement based on numbers in "ICU" is a gross oversimplification and thankfully not how we make these decisions.

It’s the fact that with as the number of cases rise so does the risk of it mutating into something we cannot control with the current vaccines.

So If had 100,000 infections everyday but <5,000 hospitalisations we would lockdown again - either this vaccination works or it doesn't?

The government need to give out figures that are more meaningful - yes there was c400 went into hospital but c200 came out - what is the average stay in hospital, what was the vaccine status, how many in ICU etc.

The whole point of lockdown was to protect the NHS - nothing else - surely it is the numbers in ICU that determine what the NHS can provide - it was the bottleneck last time and turned the NHS into the NCS. It had plenty of beds - let's face it the NHS wasn't treating hardly anyone else - it was the lack of ICU wards and trained nurses that was the real issue.

Thankfully those that have been double vaccinated and those <18 don't have to self isolate if pinged by the app - and it looks like we should be able to go abroad and not have to self isolate, no bubbles in schools - progress at least.

Not at all it is impractical almost impossible to achieve when society behaves with any degree of normality - how are kids supposed to observe that - let's get real here.

Was the whole point of lockdown not to save lives

Well, you've completely got me there ZZB, what on earth are you on about ?
(my previous post was about the narrative being set by the politicians and the media)

Kids, largely, will follow the example set by their parents, friends, teachers etc. and although there are some that dont confirm, the majority usually do.

There isn't a narrative set by anybody it is simply impractical - young people - let's take university students, they caused the second lockdown because they wouldn't behave when they went back to Uni in September. It is no surprise that students are leading this wave - Leeds has a rate of over 300 where do you think the big areas are Hyde Park, Becketts/Headingley - what a shock its where all the students live. They don't care.

As for under 10s give me a break - they will simply mix with each other it is impossible to keep them apart.

Have you been to Aldi in the last year - no way you can keep 2 metres from everyone.

Sal in young students enjoying themselves shocker!
I'm more impressed and interested that you may have visited an Aldis.

I know it's a Tory instinct to find simple, singular and, ideally, distinct from "ordinary folk" scapegoats for everything bad that happens so I won't hold this against you too much. But the data doesn't really support any of this.

Are you talking about the same young people who, a short while ago, you said, didn't catch the virus, couldn't pass it to their lecturers and should be allowed to carry on as normal AND when I suggested that they should have a phased return to Uni, you suggested that this would be wrong.
I have to say that the "B" side to your thoughts is very different from the "A" side.

It's seems that you are dutifully following your leader, as he seems not to care and we are shortly to have an absolute free for all, with case now being allowed to increase at will and everything reliant on the vaccination program.

It may work but, if it doesnt and we import further new strains, which seems inevitable, what then ??

With an estimated 100,000 new cases a day it is more likely that we will create an home grown variation which we export to other countries.

You need to put things into context - my point was about student life and yes they should have been allowed to pass it around amongst themselves. Lectures were all on line so unless it passes down a telephone line not much chance of a lecturer getting it from a student. How many students got seriously ill or died - miniscule amounts compared to those infected. Education is hugely important in any civilised society it is how it progresses - stopping it is a disaster.

There will always be new strains - so do we lockdown hard indefinitely just in case? Australia has one of the strictest border controls in the world yet they have still managed to get the Delhi Belly version.

So your view is what - we sacrifice hospitality and travel for what exactly - the vaccination program was never intended to break the link it was always intended to lessen the impact when you catch it which it quite clearly does.

People die of Flu in significant quantities every year but we don't close everything down and force masks on everyone.- people die do we stop society behaving normally because 1,500 people a day die - it is a very sad but its the reality.

We have to learn to live with this virus as we have others - Spanish Flu/Smallpox etc. or would you rather we well kids not going to school, fit people not going to work - where does this all end?

Quote: The Ghost of '99 "I know it's a Tory instinct to find simple, singular and, ideally, distinct from "ordinary folk" scapegoats for everything bad that happens so I won't hold this against you too much. But the data doesn't really support any of this.'" I think you are wrong - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... lysis.html I don't have a issue with young people doing what they do - good luck to them - you are only young once. The idea that they will act responsibly is delusional.

Quote: The Ghost of '99 "I know it's a Tory instinct to find simple, singular and, ideally, distinct from "ordinary folk" scapegoats for everything bad that happens so I won't hold this against you too much. But the data doesn't really support any of this.'" I think you are wrong - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... lysis.html I don't have a issue with young people doing what they do - good luck to them - you are only young once. The idea that they will act responsibly is delusional.