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Quote: DHM "Don't be surprised to hear AZ announce the results of the Oxford vaccine trial in the next week or so. Many of us think Pfizer have jumped the gun a bit here, their efficacy data is not complete and results could get "less promising". They also have to get their vaccine through the regulator, which may not be straightforward. So far non of the data has been scrutinized and it's an RNA vaccine and I don't believe there are any other RNA vaccines on the market yet. Not saying it's dangerous but there is no safety precedent for it so there will be more scrutiny.

My guess is still that the Oxford vaccine will be ready and passed for use first in the UK and I think that could be end of this month/December also.

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Great news today.

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Can't wait for this to start. No2 for me.

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Onwards and upwards - LTID:



Quote: Bullseye "Can't wait for this to start. No2 for me.'"


Well one of them have been given the green light So fill your boots - I’m sure there will be a lot of doubters initially

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Lots of work to do to allay fears. There is such a lot of disinformation out there. Misuse of social media largely to blame.

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Quote: Bullseye "Lots of work to do to allay fears. There is such a lot of disinformation out there. Misuse of social media largely to blame.'"


Interestingly, our former friends in the EU, believe that the UK has rushed through the testing process and they were at pains to point out that their own testing procedure is far more thorough icon_eek.gif

Personally, I'm more than happy to be well down the list.

Apparently, Matt Hancock is going to be vaccinated live on TV, it will be like the 1980's all over again icon_wink.gif
Mind you, if they suggest that you have to have a jab and certificate before you can travel, there will be plenty of demand.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "There is a "special edition" vaccine just for those in denial, they're putting it straight into the water supply though
Can they put it in pill form? Just take it down to a rave, people will pay £30 a pill and not question what's in it. Whoever got the contract for that could make a killing. icon_lol.gif

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My wife has signed up with the NHS to administer the vaccines. £12.25 a hour.

Plus an extra £5 per dose from Bill Gates.

10% on Sales of all Apple IPhones which are 5G ready.

Should make a fortune.

Have told her to forget the oldies and just go’s straight for the 18 -30 age group.

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Quote: Durham Giant "My wife has signed up with the NHS to administer the vaccines. £12.25 a hour.

Plus an extra £5 per dose from Bill Gates.

10% on Sales of all Apple IPhones which are 5G ready.

Should make a fortune.

Have told her to forget the oldies and just go’s straight for the 18 -30 age group.'"


Do the skeptical ones get a free nanbot tracker too or, does that cost extra ?

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Quote: sally cinnamon "Can they put it in pill form? Just take it down to a rave, people will pay £30 a pill and not question what's in it. Whoever got the contract for that could make a killing.
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Quote: wrencat1873 "Do the skeptical ones get a free nanbot tracker too or, does that cost extra ?'"



That’s included in the Bill Gates contribution. Although that is information that is not to be shared widely. Only those giving the vaccinations get to know about it it is written in the contract they are not to tell anyone about it

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Quote: Durham Giant "That’s included in the Bill Gates contribution. Although that is information that is not to be shared widely. Only those giving the vaccinations get to know about it it is written in the contract they are not to tell anyone about it'"


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Has anyone seen anything reported about timescales for people in the bottom tier (ie the rest of the population).

I'm in this group. I do want to get vaccinated, but at this stage I think I'll be lucky to be vaccinated before December 2021. Does that sound too pessimistic?

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Quote: sally cinnamon "Has anyone seen anything reported about timescales for people in the bottom tier (ie the rest of the population).

I'm in this group. I do want to get vaccinated, but at this stage I think I'll be lucky to be vaccinated before December 2021. Does that sound too pessimistic?'"


Listening to a piece on Newsnight yesterday, they were saying that although the vaccine will prevent you getting ill, they dont believe that it will prevent those people continuing to spread the virus, although, they are still researching this aspect.

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I think in a couple of months we'll have a resurrection of the whole herd immunity, get em back to the offices debate.

The argument will be - we're vaccinating the vulnerable, but rather than wait for the under 50s with no underlying health conditions to get vaccinated, they should go back to life as normal as the death rate is low for them anyway. The virus will then circulate rapidly among them but it will build immunity hopefully without the hospitalisations and deaths that will overwhelm the NHS.

The problem with this argument will be the people who get long covid symptoms and become long term users of the NHS and are compromised in terms of being able to work. Employers will likely be pushing people to get back to the office but then if they get long covid symptoms and have time off sick we will start hearing about 'UK workers taking too much sick time" (no doubt with provocative Daily Mail comments about this being the new 'middle class excuse disease') and employers will show them little sympathy and kick them on to the benefits system.

Also given what a cock up they made of test and trace I wouldn't be surprised if this vaccine roll out ends up riddled with delays especially once a private contractor gets involved with the distribution and it all gets screwed up. The UK now is starting to resemble a developing country where you get a plan for some logistics or health project like building water systems or rolling out a vaccination programme, aid money comes in and development agencies are on the ground ready to deliver it, but they have to deal with the domestic government and the money gets siphoned off to some contractor with contacts in the relevant Ministry, who is more interested in benefiting personally, and the underlying project gets screwed over.

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I can see the headlines, 6 months down the line, as we enter our 5th national lockdown.

"It all looked so promising in December"

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