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Here are a couple of my snowflake to gammon policy pitches for evaluation and criticism. icon_smile.gif

1. Scrap HS2 and spend the money saved on improving commuter services in the provinces. Apart from MPs and the like, how many people in the North travel regularly to London or need to more often? It feels like a London-centric solution to Northern issues to me.

2. Scrap direct government foreign aid. This’d appeal to the ‘charity begins at home’ crowd (not really charity then, is it? But never mind). It could be simultaneously sold to soft hearted liberals by noting it is often just a bribe, sometimes to corrupt regimes, to further foreign policy aims - but isn’t even very effective in doing that.

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Quote: Mild Rover "Here are a couple of my snowflake to gammon policy pitches for evaluation and criticism.
Have you ever tried to get the train from Leeds to London in a morning? There are a few more than the local MPs travelling. If you want to decentralise then you have to give the biggest city in the country swift access to the regions otherwise you will stifle it.

I agree with the second point.

My two points:
Revisit the NHS and what we want it to deliver - it cannot continue to be all things to all people all the time

Revisit the governing body - remove the house of lords - reduce the number of MPs by removing the Scottish, Welsh and Irish MPs as they already have their own assembly

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By having a genuine Northern powerhouse we could eliminate the need for much of the business travel between here and London - and even if theres still a demand surely that doesnt need to be a high speed link. We can still do work and communicate whilst on the train. HS2 is a vanity project, which to have made any sense should have connected directly to Eurotunnel.

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Quote: Sal Paradise " Have you ever tried to get the train from Leeds to London in a morning? There are a few more than the local MPs travelling. If you want to decentralise then you have to give the biggest city in the country swift access to the regions otherwise you will stifle it. '"


I haven’t and I’m not saying it is easy. However, my guess is that more people suffer more often on local lines doing daily commutes - and it could be improved relatively cheaply. I’m taking inspiration from a Dispatches on Channel 4 from a few weeks ago. Fair though

Quote: Sal Paradise " I agree with the second point. '"


We’re off.

Quote: Sal Paradise " My two points

For the NHS, moving away from comprehensive, universal and free at the point of delivery is a hard sell to snowflakes - and the wider public, I reckon. There’s always been a bit of wriggle around ‘comprehensive’ and even ‘free’. However, initially it looks like a right wing policy for the right wing choir. Happy to hear more if I’ve missed your point.

Your second point is more interesting to me. Are you imagining a looser federation or commonwealth of nations rather than the current Union? How much autonomy would the individual countries have? How would joint decisions be made? I’d suggest [ireplacing[/i the Lords, but yeah - constitutional reform works.

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Quote: Mild Rover "I haven’t and I’m not saying it is easy. However, my guess is that more people suffer more often on local lines doing daily commutes - and it could be improved relatively cheaply. I’m taking inspiration from a Dispatches on Channel 4 from a few weeks ago. Fair though

We’re off.

For the NHS, moving away from comprehensive, universal and free at the point of delivery is a hard sell to snowflakes - and the wider public, I reckon. There’s always been a bit of wriggle around ‘comprehensive’ and even ‘free’. However, initially it looks like a right wing policy for the right wing choir. Happy to hear more if I’ve missed your point.

Your second point is more interesting to me. Are you imagining a looser federation or commonwealth of nations rather than the current Union? How much autonomy would the individual countries have? How would joint decisions be made? I’d suggest [ireplacing[/i the Lords, but yeah - constitutional reform works.'"


On the NHS - clinical/pharma excellence/progression is moving faster than the funds to support it - can we still expect the NHS to keep delivering as it is? Do we spend millions on cancer treatments for one person or millions doing cataracts for thousands of people etc.

On the second point - yes I am interested in a more Federal approach - were local issues are dealt with locally and Macro issues such as Fiscal policy is dealt with centrally

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Quote: Sal Paradise "On the NHS - clinical/pharma excellence/progression is moving faster than the funds to support it - can we still expect the NHS to keep delivering as it is? Do we spend millions on cancer treatments for one person or millions doing cataracts for thousands of people etc.

On the second point - yes I am interested in a more Federal approach - were local issues are dealt with locally and Macro issues such as Fiscal policy is dealt with centrally'"


It is challenging to fund new treatments. However, it is worth remembering that only ~15% of the NHS budget is spent of drugs. The bigger challenge healthcare provision faces in the UK is a an ageing population, more than pharmaceutical innovation and its budget impact.

Rather than removing MPs from Scotland, NI and Wales from Westminster, would it make sense for that to remain as the central body and have regional assemblies in England?

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Quote: Mild Rover "It is challenging to fund new treatments. However, it is worth remembering that only ~15% of the NHS budget is spent of drugs. The bigger challenge healthcare provision faces in the UK is a an ageing population, more than pharmaceutical innovation and its budget impact.

Rather than removing MPs from Scotland, NI and Wales from Westminster, would it make sense for that to remain as the central body and have regional assemblies in England?'"


I don't mind how its structured as long as duplication is reduced and decision-making is streamlined, we have seen during Covid how difficult it seems to make decisive decisions quickly

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Quote: Sal Paradise "I don't mind how its structured as long as duplication is reduced and decision-making is streamlined, we have seen during Covid how difficult it seems to make decisive decisions quickly'"


Out of interest, which decisions around the response to the current crisis do you think have been stymied by the second chamber? I ask that in the spirit of neutrality proposed by the OP - because I genuinely can't think of a single one; and I am in favour of constitutional reform, so we get off on the right foot.

On the NHS and the 'ageing population' problem - I have long advocated radical reform of the Social Care sector - and I speak from the inside; that in itself would solve a significant swathe of the problems faced by the NHS. But successive H&SC Secretaries forget the SC part of the brief.

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Quote: bren2k "Out of interest, which decisions around the response to the current crisis do you think have been stymied by the second chamber? I ask that in the spirit of neutrality proposed by the OP - because I genuinely can't think of a single one; and I am in favour of constitutional reform, so we get off on the right foot.

On the NHS and the 'ageing population' problem - I have long advocated radical reform of the Social Care sector - and I speak from the inside; that in itself would solve a significant swathe of the problems faced by the NHS. But successive H&SC Secretaries forget the SC part of the brief.'"


I completely agree with your second point - the first point was more about the infrastructure of the public sector and how long it takes to get things done - we apparently have thousands of UK firms wanting to supply PPE but because of government processes they haven't been responded to - a crisis like this needs quick accurate decisions - some of which will be wrong - this isn't possible with a public sector as snail-paced as ours.

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Quote: bren2k "But successive H&SC Secretaries forget the SC part of the brief.'"


I must correct myself in the interests of fairness - SC was only added to H at the beginning of 2018, so that Jeremy Hunt could ignore it from a position of authority; prior to that, it was just quietly ignored, in an informal way.

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Quote: Sal Paradise "I completely agree with your second point - the first point was more about the infrastructure of the public sector and how long it takes to get things done - we apparently have thousands of UK firms wanting to supply PPE but because of government processes they haven't been responded to - a crisis like this needs quick accurate decisions - some of which will be wrong - this isn't possible with a public sector as snail-paced as ours.'"


That feels like shifting the blame to civil servants for what the Panorama documentary last night has clearly demonstrated, was a Govt decision; essential items of PPE were omitted from the pandemic stockpile, for financial reasons.

I don't disagree that generally, the public machinery moves frustratingly slowly in many instances - but I don't think this is a good example.

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Quote: bren2k "That feels like shifting the blame to civil servants for what the Panorama documentary last night has clearly demonstrated, was a Govt decision; essential items of PPE were omitted from the pandemic stockpile, for financial reasons.

I don't disagree that generally, the public machinery moves frustratingly slowly in many instances - but I don't think this is a good example.'"


The MPs aren't on the ground moving stock around its like saying the army killing innocent citizens is the government's fault - somebody dies on an operating table is the government's fault. Did they make a decision on PPE when nobody had even heard of Covid - yes they did - which has proved to be the wrong one in hindsight. Getting PPE around the country is the responsibility of those people within the NHS charged with that responsibility - you can't shift that blame surely?

The furlough scheme and getting the money has worked brilliantly - not heard one of you on here going good job well done - no wonder people see your perspectives are well skewed.

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Quote: Sal Paradise "The MPs aren't on the ground moving stock around its like saying the army killing innocent citizens is the government's fault - somebody dies on an operating table is the government's fault. Did they make a decision on PPE when nobody had even heard of Covid - yes they did - which has proved to be the wrong one in hindsight. Getting PPE around the country is the responsibility of those people within the NHS charged with that responsibility - you can't shift that blame surely?'"


Operation Cygnus told the Govt what they needed to do in the event of a pandemic - they chose not to do it for financial reasons. Their stockpile contained *no* gowns - not a single one; that's bordering on criminal negligence, yes?

Quote: Sal Paradise "The furlough scheme and getting the money has worked brilliantly - not heard one of you on here going good job well done'"


The furlough scheme has worked well for some industries yes - but not all; and 'getting the money' has yet to be proven - the scheme opened for claims a week or so ago. If you mean the loan scheme - that clearly hasn't worked, as the banks (shock horror) were making it too difficult - so the Exchequer has had to step in and guarantee loans for smaller companies, to take the banks out of the equation.

Quote: Sal Paradise "no wonder people see your perspectives are well skewed.'"


What happened to a non-partisan discussion? I'm trying not to be skewed - I'm not suggesting anyone else would have done it better - I'm just dealing with facts before me.

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Quote: bren2k "Operation Cygnus told the Govt what they needed to do in the event of a pandemic - they chose not to do it for financial reasons. Their stockpile contained *no* gowns - not a single one; that's bordering on criminal negligence, yes?

The furlough scheme has worked well for some industries yes - but not all; and 'getting the money' has yet to be proven - the scheme opened for claims a week or so ago. If you mean the loan scheme - that clearly hasn't worked, as the banks (shock horror) were making it too difficult - so the Exchequer has had to step in and guarantee loans for smaller companies, to take the banks out of the equation.

What happened to a non-partisan discussion? I'm trying not to be skewed - I'm not suggesting anyone else would have done it better - I'm just dealing with facts before me.'"


So I will ask you this question - you are suggesting that given the chances of a pandemic were so great and the government should have acted and stockpiled PPE - I am correct in that yes? You as a social care provider looking after the most vulnerable in society to one of these incidents would have obviously done the thing you expected the government to do and stockpiled PPE - you didn't and I correct again - yes? So why didn't you stockpile PPE for the very same reason the government didn't because the money was better invested elsewhere. You are a private business charging £20-30k annually per customer and you cry wolf when the public sector don't get you out of the mess you have got yourself into - safeism gone mad.

I have issues in my business through the economic situation - the only person to blame is me.

On the furlough scheme - I have money out with 5 days of requesting it - so as far as I can see it works fine and many in my network have had the same experience - its quick and easy to access and the funds are flowing.

The banking is a different matter - banks are concerned that the loans will be repaid and that business that take out these loans will survive the crisis. The biggest part of the problem is most businesses can't provide the information the bank needs e.g. 2 years P&L. balance sheet and cashflow and business justification to support the loans. This is neither the government's nor the banks' problem - this is an issue of poorly managed businesses.

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Quote: Sal Paradise "The MPs aren't on the ground moving stock around its like saying the army killing innocent citizens is the government's fault - somebody dies on an operating table is the government's fault. Did they make a decision on PPE when nobody had even heard of Covid - yes they did - which has proved to be the wrong one in hindsight. Getting PPE around the country is the responsibility of those people within the NHS charged with that responsibility - you can't shift that blame surely?'"

Wasn't one army commander quoted as being desperate to take over the distribution operation, and as being 'appalled' at NHS planning? I certainly don't 'blame' the NHS - it would be unfair to expect any distribution operation to expand from 200+ delivery locations to 58,000 overnight.

Quote: Sal Paradise "The furlough scheme and getting the money has worked brilliantly - not heard one of you on here going good job well done - no wonder people see your perspectives are well skewed.'"

The government have stepped up and done a fantastic job financially. Not a sniff of gratitude or acknowledgement from most on here, some of whom I assume are grudgingly receiving furlough payments and possibly other means of assistance.

It cannot be overstated just how critical the furlough scheme is. Millions of us now have guaranteed income until at least June 30th, and who knows, it may be extended further if the lockdown continues. Most lenders are arranging mortgage holidays. So, for 3 months I'm only paying for shopping, utility bills and a few other small bills (and my daughter's birthday next month). I'll probably come out of this period better off despite a considerable drop in income. But will I have a job? That remains to be seen so I'll take what I can.

I acknowledge some businesses and individuals will inevitably fall through the cracks - there are millions of variables at play - but it cannot be denied the government have done a fantastic job in propping the country up financially. We'll all pay for it over time of course, but the alternative is unthinkable.

Is it all running perfectly smoothly? Not yet. I don't think it's unreasonable to forgive a few blips launching such huge and complex programmes in a matter of weeks.

Let's look at some of the achievements. I'm sure there are some I may have missed:
- The hugely impressive Nightingale hospitals - thankfully mostly not required yet.
- Increasing critical hospital capacity to the point we have over 3,000 spare critical care beds.
- A clearly defined four-stage strategy.
- For the most (while not ignoring the gaps) - providing medical equipment to cope with demand, including ventilators and PPE.
- The Job Retention (furlough) Scheme (later extended to include June).
- The Self-Employment Income Support Scheme.
- The 'Bounce Back Loan' for SMEs of up to £50,000.
- The Business Interruption Loan Scheme of up to £5m.
- The Corporate Financing Facility for larger businesses.
- Small business grant funding of £10,000.
- Guaranteeing loans where required.
- Grant funding of £25,000 for some retail, hospitality & leisure businesses.
- Deferred VAT payments.
- A 12 month business rate holiday for retail, hospitality, leisure & childcare businesses in England.
- £750 million cash grants fund for thousands of charities.

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     Mens Super League XXVIII-R16
15:00
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v
Hull FC
       Championship 2024-R14
15:00
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v
Doncaster
15:00
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Whitehaven
15:00
Swinton
v
Widnes
15:00
Wakefield
v
Batley
15:00
York
v
Barrow
       League One 2024-R14
15:00
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v
Rochdale
 Thu 11th Jul
     National Rugby League 2024-R19
10:50
Dolphins
v
Souths
 Fri 12th Jul
     National Rugby League 2024-R19
11:00
Cronulla
v
Wests
     Womens Super League 2024-R8
17:30
WiganW
v
St.HelensW
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R17
20:00
LondonB
v
Castleford
20:00
Warrington
v
Leeds
20:00
Warrington
v
St.Helens
 Sat 13th Jul
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R17
Leigh
v
Huddersfield
     National Rugby League 2024-R19
08:30
Gold Coast
v
Parramatta
10:35
Brisbane
v
St.George
     Womens Super League 2024-R8
12:00
York V
v
FeatherstoneW
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R17
15:00
Hull FC
v
Hull KR
       Championship 2024-R15
15:00
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v
Toulouse
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R17
17:30
Catalans
v
Salford
 Sun 14th Jul
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12:00
Wire W
v
LeedsW
       League One 2024-R15
14:00
Newcastle
v
Hunslet
     Womens Super League 2024-R8
14:00
Hudds W
v
BarrowW
       Championship 2024-R15
15:00
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v
Barrow
15:00
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v
Wakefield
15:00
Halifax
v
Featherstone
15:00
Sheffield
v
Swinton
15:00
Widnes
v
Dewsbury
15:00
York
v
Doncaster
       League One 2024-R15
15:00
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v
Crusaders
15:00
Workington
v
Rochdale
     National Rugby League 2024-R19
17:05
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v
Newcastle
 Wed 17th Jul
     State of Origin 2023-R3
11:05
Queensland
v
New South Wales
 Sat 17th Aug 2024
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R22
13:00
Hull FC
v
LondonB
15:30
Wigan
v
St.Helens
18:00
Warrington
v
Leeds
 Sun 18th Aug 2024
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R22
13:00
Leigh
v
Salford
15:30
Catalans
v
Hull KR
18:00
Huddersfield
v
Castleford
 Sun 27th Oct 2024
     Mens Internationals 2024-R2
14:30
England M
v
Samoa M
 Sat 2nd Nov 2024
     Mens Internationals 2024-R3
14:30
England M
v
Samoa M
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Fri 5th Jul
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Castleford
SL
20:00
Warrington-Huddersfield
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Sat 6th Jul
SL
17:30
Hull KR-Catalans
SL
15:00
Leeds-LondonB
Sun 7th Jul
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LondonB-Castleford
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20:00
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20:00
Warrington-St.Helens
Sat 13th Jul
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15:00
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SL
00:00
Leigh-Huddersfield
SL
17:30
Catalans-Salford
Wed 17th Jul
SOO
11:05
Queensland-New South Wales
Sat 17th Aug
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18:00
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SL
15:30
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SL
13:00
Hull FC-LondonB
Sun 18th Aug
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13:00
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SL
15:30
Catalans-Hull KR
SL
18:00
Huddersfield-Castleford
Sun 27th Oct
MINT2024
14:30
England M-Samoa M
Sun 30th Jun
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CH 13 Dewsbury12-38Bradford
CH 13 Halifax38-18Whitehaven
CH 13 Widnes16-24Batley
CH 13 York10-18Sheffield
L1 13 Cornwall10-16Crusaders
L1 13 Newcastle10-44Midlands
L1 13 Oldham30-6Hunslet
L1 13 Workington18-37Keighley
NRL 17 St.George26-6Dolphins
NRL 17 Penrith6-16NQL Cowboys
NRL 17 Sydney40-6Wests
Sat 29th Jun
CH 13 Toulouse20-0Featherstone
CH 13 Doncaster18-8Swinton
NRL 17 NZ Warriors32-16Brisbane
NRL 17 Newcastle34-26Parramatta
NRL 17 Melbourne16-6Canberra
MINT2024 1 France M8-40England M
WINT2024 1 FRANCE W0-42ENGLAND W
Fri 28th Jun
NRL 17 Canterbury15-14Cronulla
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 14 403 164 239 24
St.Helens 15 423 162 261 22
Hull KR 15 383 201 182 22
Warrington 15 358 213 145 20
Salford 15 295 288 7 20
Catalans 15 288 220 68 18
 
Leeds 15 274 270 4 16
Huddersfield 15 298 317 -19 12
Leigh 14 264 226 38 11
Castleford 15 238 429 -191 7
Hull FC 15 198 474 -276 4
LondonB 15 140 598 -458 2
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 13 486 142 344 26
Sheffield 13 354 217 137 20
Bradford 13 341 218 123 18
Toulouse 12 332 174 158 16
Widnes 13 315 245 70 15
Featherstone 13 330 283 47 12
 
Batley 13 205 286 -81 12
Doncaster 13 237 325 -88 11
York 14 285 293 -8 10
Whitehaven 13 266 358 -92 10
Halifax 13 270 377 -107 10
Barrow 12 203 339 -136 10
Swinton 13 260 332 -72 8
Dewsbury 14 168 419 -251 2
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