He said: "Today let's recognise the horror that the families of those that died in the airliner travelling from Tehran to the Ukraine are suffering from now.

"Let's be clear there can be no excuses here. This is an appalling act and part of a whole pattern of appalling acts all across the region.

"There's no excuse for shooting down an airliner, there's no excuse for a targeted assassination by one state against another.

"All this does is set off a spiral of violence and danger which will lead us to yet more wars in the future."



go Jeremy, no we mean it, GO, traitor.

I don’t recall such an outcry when the Americans shot down Iran Air flight 655, murdering 290 innocent souls.
And the Americans denied they were the murderers for a full two months before irrefutable evidence outed them as liars.

18? Dreadful, yes. But an accident, in a war zone. Let's remember ISIS killed, tortured and maimed many tens of thousands of innocent civilians, possibly more. And in some utterly horrific ways. For fun, mainly. This isn't whataboutery, this is putting things into perspective.

Perhaps you should find some unfiltered accounts of what ISIS were doing during their heyday. Maybe start with the Yazidis and the explore other accounts of their massacres, what their females endured. And the rest. If every person associated with ISIS was wiped from the face of this planet I wouldn't even raise an eyebrow. The world is a better place without them.

Collateral civilian deaths in war are terrible but inevitable. Try the D-Day landings if you want some shocking numbers.

Let us also not forget that it was the Americans who provided weapons to Iraq which they later used in the war against the USA and U.K. etc.

Wow - Mao starved 50m of his own people and between Lenin and Stalin they killed another 50m - these are people with whom you have some sympathy!! The numbers of the hard left dwarf anything ever done in the name of the hard right.

Tbf, there is more to China than Mao and Russia than the worst of the Soviet era. Just as there is more to the modern US than genocide of native peoples and slavery. Which is, of course, all setting the bar very low. China and Russia are certainly not saviours from US hegemony and unless things changed dramatically, I wouldn’t remotely want them to be. I don’t think superpower nations are good for the world.

I think Trump is the final nail in the coffin of whatever was left of the myth of American exceptionalism.

The Americans were also selling weapons to Iran during this time as well.

Congress blocked Reagan from funding the Contras in Nicauragua, so the Americans used arms sales to Iran (off the books) as a money laundering exercise to continue to fund the Contras (off the books) without Congress being able to audit the funds.

Just remind me why the Americans coined the phrase “blue on blue” .

And let’s not forget that the American right have made the mass murder of school children acceptable, merely collateral damage of AK47 butchery.

Amongst many excellent examples, that is possibly the most stupid thing you've ever said on here.

That is so, and makes the Napalm, Chemical Weapons, Cluster Bomb, Atomic Bomb etc atrocities of the USA pale into insignificance .

Can we just agree that politicians on all sides, be them far left or far right don't particularly care about the common folk, and generally are more than happy to kill civilians in their droves?