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Quote: IR80 "Right wing views? '"


Don't sweat it. That basically means you don't conform to the hard left.

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Quote: AXE2GRIND "After already attending a prep-boarding school.
Also, kings scholars are means tested with most paying 50% of the fees..... So hardly a paupers tale.
He was a bright kid, but he is a cunning self interested fellow who has little interest in the lot of ordinary folk.'"


All successful people have a cunning self interest - that is what drives them on.

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Quote: AXE2GRIND "Christ on a bike you're naive if you believe that. His heritage dates back to Turkish/Germanic royalty and he was educated at loving ETON.
He left uni with an imaginary degree, lost his first journalistic job for telling lies, wrote click bait for the far right, span crap about straight bananas and if he was unemployed tomorrow, his kids by no matter how many women would all be set for life...not because he's a genius, but because his heritage afforded him access to connections.
He is not stupid......by no stretch should anyone think of him as he would like you to. Elected head of the Oxford Union is like being an apprentice PM. He is nobody's fool, although he'd love you to think he is....
He is a lot of things, but a self made man he isn't!'"

For someone who lists 'history' amongst his hobbies you're not so hot on the fact-checking, as proven on your syllabus post.

There is a single tenuous link to royalty via one of his paternal great-great-grandmothers, who may or may not have been the illegitimate daughter of Prince Paul of Württemberg (a duchy, only elevated to kingdom status by Napoleon Bonaparte when it joined his Confederation of the Rhine). Being illegitimate doesn't really provide much of an advantage.

The Turkish link is a paternal great-grandparent - Ali Kemal - a journalist and later politician, who was stoned to death for opposing Ataturk. Not royalty.

Also on his paternal side one of the other great-grandparents hails from the Pfeffel family - certainly a successful bunch - but again, not royalty.

On his maternal side the ancestral mix is interesting, but definitely no royalty in there.

I'm not saying his family doesn't have some middle-upper class roots, and his father certainly moves in 'upper' circles having been successful in his own right (after starting out as a sheep farmer). But stating "he's from German/Turkish royalty" is simply not true.

As for the "imaginary degree", he gained an Upper Second Class Honours in the School of Literae Humaniores, more widely known as 'Classics' or 'Greats' - considered one of the hardest degrees Oxford offers and the degree the very best scholars tend to go for. For a start, fluent knowledge of Latin and Ancient Greek is required. I dare say you have achieved better?

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That's a hell of a well researched cheerlead for Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson.

It's often said that a good chunk of Brits are still serfs, and are only happy when the posh folk are in charge. Their own lack of self esteem makes them distrust people who are from the same class as they are. Unless of course you're an old Etonian who is verging on aristocracy?

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Quote: King Street Cat "That's a hell of a well researched cheerlead for Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson.

It's often said that a good chunk of Brits are still serfs, and are only happy when the posh folk are in charge. Their own lack of self esteem makes them distrust people who are from the same class as they are. Unless of course you're an old Etonian who is verging on aristocracy?'"

Not a cheerlead at all - just facts, clearly stated. When someone states Boris Johnson is descended from "Turkish/German royalty" I think to myself - not something I knew before, so I do some deeper research to find - oh look, it's simply not true.
I do give him credit for his Classics degree as it's a quite an achievement by any measure. I would do the same for anyone.

I did the same sort of research a few years ago when Corbyn first came to prominence and I first heard "he supports the IRA and various other terrorists", only to find that [iIS [/itrue.

Your final paragraph is utter nonsense. I couldn't care less who is in charge - I don't suffer from politics of envy - as long as they do a good job along the lines I believe in.

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Quote: Cronus "For someone who lists 'history' amongst his hobbies you're not so hot on the fact-checking, as proven on your syllabus post.

There is a single tenuous link to royalty via one of his paternal great-great-grandmothers, who may or may not have been the illegitimate daughter of Prince Paul of Württemberg (a duchy, only elevated to kingdom status by Napoleon Bonaparte when it joined his Confederation of the Rhine). Being illegitimate doesn't really provide much of an advantage.

The Turkish link is a paternal great-grandparent - Ali Kemal - a journalist and later politician, who was stoned to death for opposing Ataturk. Not royalty.

Also on his paternal side one of the other great-grandparents hails from the Pfeffel family - certainly a successful bunch - but again, not royalty.

On his maternal side the ancestral mix is interesting, but definitely no royalty in there.

I'm not saying his family doesn't have some middle-upper class roots, and his father certainly moves in 'upper' circles having been successful in his own right (after starting out as a sheep farmer). But stating "he's from German/Turkish royalty" is simply not true.

As for the "imaginary degree", he gained an Upper Second Class Honours in the School of Literae Humaniores, more widely known as 'Classics' or 'Greats' - considered one of the hardest degrees Oxford offers and the degree the very best scholars tend to go for. For a start, fluent knowledge of Latin and Ancient Greek is required. I dare say you have achieved better?'"


Your use of google is worthy of a 2nd....my knowledge of Latin is that I am pretty much fluent, but my greek is zero and my point, which you attempt to decry is still valid. BoJo is not a man of the people and his "scholarship" was one not open to common folk. His Grandparents were both literary and read folk...every family has a sheep farmer in it....not many were publishing books a decade before they entered politics...and not many attended Sherborne School...another Boarding School.....with firm ties to ETON.....who issued the friendly scholarship.

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Quote: Cronus "Your final paragraph is utter nonsense. I couldn't care less who is in charge - I don't suffer from politics of envy - as long as they do a good job along the lines I believe in.'"


And just what lines of Johnson's do you believe in? The only believable thing about Johnson is that he's a proven liar, and a calculated act.

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Quote: Cronus "

Your final paragraph is utter nonsense. I couldn't care less who is in charge - I don't suffer from politics of envy - as long as they do a good job along the lines I believe in.'"


Do you consider that any of the three leaders in the last 3 years have actually done a "good job" ?
Cameron gave us a referendum, to (ironically) prevent his own party from splitting.
May, was just a wind bag and achieved nothing and Boris, just seems like a fantasist and again, apart from mickeying away his very slender majority, has yet to achieve anything, apart from fabricating promises, all of which have been proven to be somewhat exaggerated.

With Corbyn "leading" the opposition, what choice do we actually have - it's just depressing.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "Do you consider that any of the three leaders in the last 3 years have actually done a "good job" ?
Cameron gave us a referendum, to (ironically) prevent his own party from splitting.
May, was just a wind bag and achieved nothing and Boris, just seems like a fantasist and again, apart from mickeying away his very slender majority, has yet to achieve anything, apart from fabricating promises, all of which have been proven to be somewhat exaggerated.

With Corbyn "leading" the opposition, what choice do we actually have - it's just depressing.'"


What chance has Boris had - he simply cannot get anything through Parliament and the whole political system is stymied until we move on one way or another on Brexit.

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Quote: AXE2GRIND "Your use of google is worthy of a 2nd....my knowledge of Latin is that I am pretty much fluent, but my greek is zero and my point, which you attempt to decry is still valid. BoJo is not a man of the people and his "scholarship" was one not open to common folk. His Grandparents were both literary and read folk...every family has a sheep farmer in it....not many were publishing books a decade before they entered politics...and not many attended Sherborne School...another Boarding School.....with firm ties to ETON.....who issued the friendly scholarship.'"

After your recent posts I'm not sure I believe anything you say. Tu loqueris stercora. d040.gif

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Quote: wrencat1873 "You are an extremely forgiving person.
Firstly, Boris and his friends in the ERG could have helped ensure that May's deal got through and then, having ensured that May had to go, he PROMISED, DO OR DIE, that we would be out at the end of October, in the full knowledge of how parliament was paralysed and now, he is trying to do EXACTLY the same as Mrs May and go for a quick land grab so that the can DICTATE his own laws.

100 years since the first remembrance service and our fractured country, along with parts of Europe is moving ever further to the right and it does seem that some people have indeed "forgotten" how dangerous the extremists actually are.

We have Trump in the states, looking after the "Whites" first and a racist xenophobic Prime Minister over here already walking uncomfortably with Trumps hand very firmly up his backside.

Already, we are leaving our kids in a position where they will be financially less well off than their parents and now we give them Trump and Johnson. Even more codswallop!

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Quote: IR80 "Even more codswallop!'"


Care to elaborate or is that the best you can do ?

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Quote: IR80 "Even more codswallop!'"


You dismiss everything everyone says. What do YOU think will happen?

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