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| Quote: Superblue "Following the referendum many of the leave voters then became aware of the hard Brexit possibility that gobsmacked them.
At the following general election these same voters effectively returned a tranche of remain mp’s to indicate their revised views.
Parliament is now acting in accordance with the voters wishes.
Totally democratic
So easy to grasp.'"
nope,we had a referendum, we voted leave.
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| Quote: IR80 "nope,we had a referendum, we voted leave.'"
A referendum isn’t legally binding.
The Supreme Court ordered that Parliament and not the Tory government had authority on Brexit.
The voters understood this.
So why did the voters not return a leave parliament when given the chance in the general election.?
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| Quote: Superblue "A referendum isn’t legally binding.
The Supreme Court ordered that Parliament and not the Tory government had authority on Brexit.
The voters understood this.
So why did the voters not return a leave parliament when given the chance in the general election.?'"
because the intelligent voters know a General Election isn't a single issue democracy. I assume you are a remoaner.
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| Quote: Superblue "Following the referendum many of the leave voters then became aware of the hard Brexit possibility that gobsmacked them.
At the following general election these same voters effectively returned a tranche of remain mp’s to indicate their revised views.
Parliament is now acting in accordance with the voters wishes.
Totally democratic
So easy to grasp.'"
They returned MPs who said they'd respect and implement the referendum result.
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| Quote: Superblue "A referendum isn’t legally binding.
The Supreme Court ordered that Parliament and not the Tory government had authority on Brexit.
The voters understood this.
So why did the voters not return a leave parliament when given the chance in the general election.?'"
Cameron categorically declared it would be implemented (thereby removing the 'advisory' tag).
Voters did return a leave parliament - Labour and Tories picked up the overwhelming majority of votes on leave manifestos.
The referendum's 'project fear campaign' made it clear that any Brexit would be what was subsequently called a 'hard' Brexit.
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| Quote: bren2k "There are already strong rumours that she's had a series of 1
Sorry Bren but, although nobody would wish to see it, I'll show my booty in Wakefield precinct if The Lib dems go into coalition with the Tories.
The previous coalition was long before Brexit and whatever similarities the 2 parties may have had in 2010 have long since disappeared, not to mention the utter damage that jumping into bed with Cameron actually did for their Party.
As for Corbyn. He and the Labour party have spent so long on the fence, that the undergrowth will now prevent them moving at all.
Even with the sequence of events that you describe and assuming that Labour can win an election, which I very much doubt (and certainly not with an overall majority), just how long do you think that the process would take and do you think that the electorate would be happy with soft (remain) Brexit.
Personally, I would have been very happy with that option from the outset but, there was a vote to leave and why should anyone be happy with a second "referendum". If the result were "remain" Farage & Co would no doubt insist on another vote.
You say that Labours stance is "clear" but, what happens if the Tories or worse still, The Brexit party gain power (or a share of it).
Remember, Labour are 12/13 points behind the broken shambles of the Conservatives.
I've said for years that Labour wont win an election with Corbyn at the helm and just like my views on Brexit, nobody has changed my mind on this one.
He is loved by his closest allies but, despised by the majority of the rest.
The best that Labour could hope for is a coalition with the SNP and / or the Libdems and even that is not a certainty
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| I can't see the circumstances in which we ever leave.
The EU has us over a barrel, and will "stick" to the deal already negotiated. Why wouldn't they? They don't want us to leave, and must be laughing their male hens off at the ensuing shambles.
I can't see ANY way in which any Parliament would be elected that would have a majority for either a hard Brexit, or for accepting this deal.
I can't see any way in which a second referendum would vote leave, but if I am wrong about that, then I certainly can't see a majority for "leave regardless" - any majority would IMHO certainly only ever be to leave with a deal.
And so to keep us in the EU, all Eu needs to do is refuse to negotiate any further. Leaving us nowhere to go.
What a mess.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "Sorry Bren but, although nobody would wish to see it, I'll show my booty in Wakefield precinct if The Lib dems go into coalition with the Tories.
The previous coalition was long before Brexit and whatever similarities the 2 parties may have had in 2010 have long since disappeared, not to mention the utter damage that jumping into bed with Cameron actually did for their Party.
As for Corbyn. He and the Labour party have spent so long on the fence, that the undergrowth will now prevent them moving at all.
Even with the sequence of events that you describe and assuming that Labour can win an election, which I very much doubt (and certainly not with an overall majority), just how long do you think that the process would take and do you think that the electorate would be happy with soft (remain) Brexit.
Personally, I would have been very happy with that option from the outset but, there was a vote to leave and why should anyone be happy with a second "referendum". If the result were "remain" Farage & Co would no doubt insist on another vote.
You say that Labours stance is "clear" but, what happens if the Tories or worse still, The Brexit party gain power (or a share of it).
Remember, Labour are 12/13 points behind the broken shambles of the Conservatives.
I've said for years that Labour wont win an election with Corbyn at the helm and just like my views on Brexit, nobody has changed my mind on this one.
He is loved by his closest allies but, despised by the majority of the rest.
The best that Labour could hope for is a coalition with the SNP and / or the Libdems and even that is not a certainty'"
Labours stance is very clear.
Lib Dem’s would only join a coalition with Tory’s, the amount of people who thing lab/lib would ever join in a coalition is laughable.
The sun/mail control the narrative and are superb at it, I agree with you about Labour with Corbyn at the helm. If I was a Brexiteer he’s the only person I’d trust to do it.
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| Quote: Sheldon "Labours stance is very clear.
Lib Dem’s would only join a coalition with Tory’s, the amount of people who thing lab/lib would ever join in a coalition is laughable.
The sun/mail control the narrative and are superb at it, I agree with you about Labour with Corbyn at the helm. If I was a Brexiteer he’s the only person I’d trust to do it.'"
You say that Labours stance is very clear, which I believe is Leave with a deal, including "A customs union".
Much as this seems to be the middle ground, do you believe this would make it through Parliament and would it actually be "leaving" (as we would still be tied to the EU and making contributions, albeit at a lower level than we currently do).
Corbyn, although happy to bang the Euro drum about workers rights ets, is a lifelong Eurosceptic and ironically, their own policy doesnt pass it's own 6 tests for leaving the EU ??
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